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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and so one

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of the requests that a couple of

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listeners have made is whether we should

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have some kind of premium service you

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know with extra content this is what a

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lot of the big shows do you know out

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there you know where they offer features

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to listeners that are not part of the

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normal free offering now of course the

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free offering is a radio show with

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commercials free access to our forms we

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have an online store where you can buy

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para cast t-shirts and this that and the

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other thing but the question here is

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whether we should have and we'll

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brainstorm now and then our listeners

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can join in in our email section or

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getting posts in our forums but to talk

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about for example a power cast Pro

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premium sort of thingy okay something

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that would be this accessory so it

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sounds cool to me - of course it is more

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work but some people to me well one of

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the concepts we thought of was having a

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special chat room now I know that live

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shows have the chat room an interactive

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chat room but of course we're not here

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24 hours a day to monitor those chat

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rooms sometimes they get a little bit

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out of hand but if we have a special

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time a special place where Chris and I

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or maybe some of our guests can sit

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there and participate and answer your

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questions that's a good possibility that

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might work yeah and anything interactive

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and putting the ball in the court of our

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listeners and you know giving them the

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opportunity to get involved directly

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with these subjects would cover the

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guests we cover and and I think the idea

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of an exclusive child would would I

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think it would apply we'd have to look

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at other kinds of features maybe have

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the various participants in our show

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write special blog entries keep a

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special official power cast Pro blog

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where we talk about things about

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research about things that may be more

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intimate than just a general purpose

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block something more focused towards our

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listeners it's another possibility the

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other thing is here whether we should

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have a special interview special videos

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you do a lot of interesting videos for

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and maybe I do I mean we could offer

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that as premium content I do have a lot

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of stuff that I yeah I know I know and

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we want to see what that is by the way

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we are working by the way with our

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webmasters to take our strange planet

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calm and bring it into the 22nd century

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not the 21st century but the 22nd

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century so we're hoping that's good and

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real sound sure but the other idea here

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is maybe make a special place for the

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older shows the ones a year or two old

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because we've been on the air since 2006

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put them in a special area a special

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area just for premium members now

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premium of course let's be frank about

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Premium means that we'll have a modest

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monthly subscription fee or an annual

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fee we're not gonna make it high because

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nobody has money nowadays you know the

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economy's in the toilet and we don't

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want to just take money from our

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listeners what we're trying to do is

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give you a value-added service something

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beyond what we could do with the regular

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para Cass radio show and you charge a

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subscription because the people who

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participate and work with us that can

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even want to get paid for it that would

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be nice be a change so now I change is

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good just good change I can believe in

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great great great sure that would be

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usable from all of us here now the one

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thing to mention here too is that we

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welcome your ideas as to how we should

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do this how to set it up what features

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to add and if your skill set coding you

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know internet forums and blogs and stuff

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like that maybe then you can assist us

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maybe then you'll be able to help us

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advance the entire state of the art we

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have a talented listener ship out there

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and boy it'd be great for one or more

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people to step up and really help put

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this whole thing into the next level I

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think it's a great idea Jean as I said

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we're calling it the para cast Pro not

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because you know it's the best title

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it's just something that I came up with

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and you may find that title to be

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perfectly awful what do you think Chris

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I need to think about a little bit I

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think you know my my initial reaction is

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positive one but you know perhaps we

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could put this ball in our you know

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listenership court in the forum dr.

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paradise calm and maybe you know monitor

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that thread that you have gone about

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ideas for this this new this new forward

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progress here at the para cast

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definitely something that I hope we

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could you know extend it's not obviously

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just a trick to make some money from

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listeners because if we didn't give

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value it's no sense doing it because

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that's the been the goal of the para

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cast from day one is to provide

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interesting discussions on all

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paranormal issues we're not going to

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pander to our listeners we're not going

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to create fake controversies and I know

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some shows out there do it they will go

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unnamed because they want people to

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visit their forums they want hits and

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their websites and maybe you make money

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from that for a small amount of time but

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I think people get bored because they

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want something bigger better badder

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every time and I don't believe in that

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kind of radio you know if I had to do

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that kind of radio I go off and any cat

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food or something and give it all up or

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maybe sign up to monitor the inquires

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website or something well you know

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there's a former guy from The Enquirer

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who also has books and everything about

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all the things he's done we may have him

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on the show in the near future well it

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can't be Bob Pratt because he passed

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away a number of years ago he was one of

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the few shining lights I think that they

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inquire for a number of years in the 70s

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into the 80s I think where he he covered

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some very very interesting stories and

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did some really good in-depth field

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investigations that appeared in The

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the original articles that were written

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about the Manuel Gomez case outside of

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dulce in 77 to 79 some of the cow

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mutilation cases that we've discussed in

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the past here on the show but you know

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it's I'm always reminded of the original

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men in black movie where Tommy Lee Jones

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grabs a copy of somebody who looks like

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the news out somehow it's funny we don't

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take the National Enquirer seriously at

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all and then

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come up with stories like of course

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former Senator John Edwards fathering a

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child out of wedlock about the affair he

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had and nobody in the mainstream media

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would pay any attention it's a National

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telling the truth

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guess what the story was right on

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the kitty litter box or something I

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guess yeah I think about that kitty

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litter boxes they always represent

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serious problems for all those kitty

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litter boxes but you know it's not the

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morning fish rapper when a paper like

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that gets a headline and the headline is

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accurate it really is before we go or a

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guess Joshua P Warren can you tell our

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listeners about this trip you're taking

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in May probably about the time people

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hear this show maybe we won't have you

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back because you'll be caught in the

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maelstrom of another dimension well

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let's hope we get some really good

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quality data if that happens we I do

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plan a trip up there I'm gonna be

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we have I've already booked quite a

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interesting double-blind setup where we

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go to specific areas some of which I've

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never even been to in the valley that

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have potential for future field

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investigation work and we're gonna be

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armed to the teeth with some really cool

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gear and I hope to make a recording at

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some point during the week that I'm

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gonna be up there where we update the

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podcast audience to some of the goings

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ons that that we're gonna be you know

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looking into up there including a ranch

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case in extreme northern central New

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Mexico that quite frankly rivals

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anything I've ever heard if there's any

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truth to very sincere testimony from the

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rancher and his wife and family it could

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be very exciting and I'm looking forward

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to you know once again doing a sojourn

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back up to the San Luis Valley and

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really digging into some of the

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mysteries that that I know are lurking

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in just under the surface there we'll

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look at poor man's paranormal a manual

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on using household items to document

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ghosts you

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UFOs cryptids and psychic activity right

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now lots of other stuff coming from

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Joshua P Warren once again neighbors we

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do want to hear from you about our plans

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for app our cast pro service even if you

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think it's a bad idea okay but if you

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have an idea of what features you might

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offer maybe even the prices we should

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charge for the extended services we want

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to have your suggestions then we'll see

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where to go if we go anywhere with it

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write to us news at the Peres cast calm

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once again our email addresses news at

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the fair cast calm I guarantee we read

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each and every letter we get and we

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answer most of them I'm Jean Steinberg

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the co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in

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the Barrett cast Mother's Day is this

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Sunday and ProFlowers is offering an

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bouquet of two dozen assorted Mother's

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Day roses with a free glass vase plus a

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$29.99 just visit proflowers.com click

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on the microphone in the upper right

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corner and enter the secret code many

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these two dozen Mother's Day roses are

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bursting with color they're the perfect

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way to show all the moms in your life

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how much you appreciate them two dozen

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assorted roses guaranteed to stay

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beautiful for at least seven full days

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plus a free glass vase and a free box of

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chocolates all for just $29.99 but hurry

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this special offer ends Friday Mother's

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Day is this Sunday and it's your last

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chance to take care of mom the only way

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to get your last chance Mother's Day

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to proflowers.com secret code many

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that's proflowers.com code many hello

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again I'm back this is John Swenson at

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mitis resources and I want to address a

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couple of issues that I hear about daily

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first is there anything to suggest that

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sunny skies are just ahead we continue

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to print Fiat dollars inflation worsens

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there's civil unrest around the world

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and the demand for gold and silver has

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higher next if you heard that possessing

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metals is a complicated process

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discussing a direct purchase or an IRA

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rollover this is a simple

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straightforward transaction this is all

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about protecting your assets and frankly

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what are your options the stock market

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real estate metal certificates I don't

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think so please call me 806 eight six

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Chris O'Brien ahead of his great voyage

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on a evidence hunting expedition with

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rosemary ellen guiley and we'll be

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getting reports on that as they progress

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assuming he is not captured by aliens

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but chris is here today uncaptured i

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will never be captured by aliens because

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they'll look at me and throw me back

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that's why I'm never abducted by the way

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they'd say Oh throw him back we're

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talking today to joshua p warren and

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he's got a new book which is interesting

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it's called poor man's paranormal now is

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this meant to be serious or is it kind

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of you know whimsical in a sense joshua

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it is serious

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in fact i find that so many people see

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paranormal investigation teams on

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television using thousands and thousands

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of dollars worth of equipment that many

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get the wrong impression they think it

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can't be a paranormal investigator

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unless you have a fortune to spend and

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all kinds of advanced technical

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knowledge but in fact you can collect

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some very valuable data using just

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household items and things which are

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quickly accessible to you when that

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random spontaneous unexpected

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manifestation might occur and so this

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book is something that everyone should

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keep on hand for those occasions

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okay let's kind of define it here more

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refer listeners to actually check out

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the book for more details but say i want

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to look for ghosts or i saw something

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that appears to be a ghost at my house

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at my grandmother's old house that is

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rumored to be haunted whatever so for

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ghosts what kind of household items are

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going to help me in my investigation

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well the simplest thing that we always

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refer people to is a compass compasses

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are keep their what lis available and of

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course the compass is naturally

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sensitive to magnetic fields we know

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they should always point north if they

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don't something is effect

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them if they're spinning or they're

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pointing in a different direction that's

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a very simple way of determining if

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there's some odd electromagnetic field

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also if you don't have some fancy

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electrostatic field detector that will

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pick up charges because many of them can

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cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars

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you can just take a fluorescent light

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bulb and walk around your house with it

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in dark or dim lighting conditions and

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if you encounter a strong electrostatic

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field that bulb will start to glow and

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blink in your hand

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even when it's not connected to anything

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and indicate that you do have an

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electrostatic field you can even make an

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EMF meter very simply you can make a

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voltmeter you can take flour and a black

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piece of plastic and sprinkle the flour

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over the plastic and then monitor it to

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see if it's been disturbed if any type

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of field or current has moved through

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there of course there are techniques in

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here for how to build something like a

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thermometer if you don't have a

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thermometer around you can take

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flashlights laser pointers all these

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simple things that most people have

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around the house and use them in fact

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one of the interesting things a lot of

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people don't think about is that you can

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take simple streamers may add or

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something like strips of toilet paper

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and hang them up in areas where ghosts

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have been seen now our listeners some of

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more skeptical listeners out there are

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gonna listen to this and say toilet

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tissue you know they're going to have

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some obvious connections there that are

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sarcastic in nature but explain this in

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more detail toilet paper can hang it up

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from the ceiling and then take something

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like a balloon and rub it on your hair

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to build up a charge and you bring that

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balloon next to those strips of toilet

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paper they will stick to it they'll

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start to sway around and move in fact if

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there is a thunderstorm rolling in and

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you have a buildup of electrostatic

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charges in you here you can see it

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influence those things which are

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sensitive and delicate and fine and

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attached to those fields and so if you

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have some type of a manifestation which

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includes an electrostatic component this

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provides a visual aid for you what I

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find is that nine times out of ten if a

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person sees what that person believes is

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a ghost

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they have nothing more

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than a story an anecdote there are all

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kinds of questions about what that

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person perceived but any little extra

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bit of information as far as what

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measurable conditions may have been

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changing or related to the event in the

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environment is valuable for someone

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who's trying to look at this from a

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skeptical point of view and determine

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what has happened and there are all

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kinds of examples of simple things that

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can be used not only to document ghostly

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activity but also UFOs cryptid psychic

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phenomena and this is a way of getting

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some kind of a handle on the data in the

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atmosphere let me ask you I'm just

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sarcastic question here have you used

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any of this stuff and let's talk about

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the ghost them again - the cryptids in

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the UFOs have you used any of this stuff

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to actually validate the technology oh

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sure oh these things every single one of

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the things in the book are things that I

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have used in a field investigation for

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example I happen to own a very large

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expensive collection of equipment I mean

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I've been accruing equipment for

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probably 20 years and I'm one of those

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guys you see on TV who has thousands and

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thousands of dollars worth of meters and

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so what I do is take some of these

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expensive devices out in the field and I

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use them alongside with some of these

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very simple improvised

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techniques what some consider the

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MacGyver method and I look at your the

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comparison between what the expensive

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scientific data is giving me and what

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I'm getting from the balloon or the

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strip of pullet paper or the the compass

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or the bulb that sort of thing and what

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I find is big yes you are going to get

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far better data if you have some type of

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professional device that is producing a

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result for you you can plug into a

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defined specific system but the more

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homegrown household methods are actually

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quite good at giving you the general

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data I mean they tend to give you

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feedback at the same time you get

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feedback from the more expensive devices

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Joshua just for those who

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never watch TV in the 1980s who or what

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is a MacGyver

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well MacGyver was a ABC fictional

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character who had a background and sort

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of improvised military work and he was

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very old fashioned he didn't like to use

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guns and so on but he had a very

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scientific engineering type mind and so

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whenever he was given a mission instead

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of bringing in all kinds of fancy James

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Bond kind of trinkets and tools he would

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just take whatever was around him into

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his environment and have the imagination

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and skill to sort of create on the spot

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an innovative little tool that would

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help him to achieve his mission now

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understand MacGyver was a TV show

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starring Richard Dean Anderson who later

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went on to appear in Stargate sg-1 which

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was the TV version of the movie Stargate

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so if anyone figures that out there you

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go

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if you catch the show I guess Netflix

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has it it might be fun I guess also if

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you're using household items on TV show

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you don't have to spend lots of money

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for special effects you don't have to

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have a cue in there who would go in

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there and give you all this advanced

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technology spending hundreds of

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thousands or millions of dollars per

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episode you know what if I can do with

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toilet paper why do I need this advanced

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circuitry right and also I feel like

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that yes we had let's say just maybe

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five or 10% of the population of this

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country with a professional level team

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with all of the scientific tools I think

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those people that five or ten percent

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would be far less beneficial than a 50

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or 60 percent of the population knew how

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to use whatever devices they have right

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around them at any given moment I mean

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we have to use this Joshua this has to

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be used it is the break welcome Joshua P

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Warren we're gonna learn about the

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about the MacGyver techniques how to use

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investigator here on the para cast Chris

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you want to pick up on the questioning

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this is fascinating because I'd like to

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know also whether any of these things

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are things that maybe you might have

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used in your research well I really

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applaud the the concept Joshua I think

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it's a real it's a very empowering

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average everyday person like you

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mentioned that doesn't have the you know

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possibly the financial resources to buy

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the gear I think you've come up with

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with a great workaround for people that

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want to get involved in this but the

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first thing that springs into my mind

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has to do with the at the motto of the

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para cast and that is separating signal

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from noise I'm a little nervous about a

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lot of people that have a you know some

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quality training from your book but are

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going out there with MacGyver eyes

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detection equipment and possibly

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misinterpreting the data in this how do

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you deal with the the noise that the

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potential noise that might be generated

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around the signal in this case obviously

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the analytical process is paramount

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how do you approach that well I guess

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the key element here is to look at the

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alternative I mean the alternative is to

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have nothing more than a person's

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individual subjective report and so the

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idea is that something here however

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rough is better than nothing and you

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know if a person tells me I have seen a

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ghost

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I may have nothing based upon that

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report that I can follow up on and give

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any meaningful feedback on but if the

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person says I saw a ghost and at the

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same time the light bulbs

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in blinking in my living room as the

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ghost was walking around now I have

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something I can work with I say well

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know what kind of light bulbs do you

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have you know where they were they on or

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off and presuming this person is

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accurately reporting that information

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this allows me to now speculate on the

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nature of what that person saw and

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whether or not it was actually something

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paranormal or something

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normal but unfamiliar to that person and

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we deal with that a lot there are odd

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things that happen naturally everyday

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which are not necessarily evidence of

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some spirit come back from the dead now

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that information I get about the light

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bulbs may not be specific enough for me

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to give some type of you know detailed

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report on what's happening but that lets

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me now take a further testing step

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telling that person okay we need to

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focus a little bit more on looking into

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the electrostatics of that environment

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and so it's a starting point and it may

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be the only type of point that many

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people have access to well how do you

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address the issue of setting up proper

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investigative protocols for aspiring

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amateur investigators who are and I

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think it's it's a very ingenious concept

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of MacGyver rigging you know everyday

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household items to aid you in at least

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giving you an alarm when something's

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going off if you if you obviously if

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you're walking around the fluorescent

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bulb and it starts to to glow to me that

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would be and I think that's an ingenious

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idea it's a great detector for for for

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some sort of field effect that might be

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occurring but how do you look at the

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whole idea of false positives of

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creating a system of protocols and

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documentation so that this data actually

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is viable for someone like yourself who

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is looking at it in in in the post world

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and and coming up with a you know with

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the system of investigative procedures

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that you can then continue forward with

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in other words how do you address the

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whole idea of protocols and

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documentation well the book starts out

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by talking about

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the scientific method and Occam's razor

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that the scientific method is imperfect

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because not everything can be measured

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scientifically we struggle with that

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when it comes to things like human

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emotions or greens and very

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psychological phenomena but as far as

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measuring what is happening in an

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environment the first thing you want to

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do is of course look at the most likely

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explanation without jumping to something

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extraordinary and if you can't

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immediately find a possible cause for

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what you are observing the next thing

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you have to do of course is observe it

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as much as possible and record it in

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every possible way and then as

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traditionally and done in the scientific

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method do you over a while look for any

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patterns and correlations which might

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seem to emerge if I do this does that

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happen

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you know and once you find some kind of

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a pattern connection cause-and-effect or

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correlation then you want to test that

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out and to some type of a hypothesis to

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see if you can recreate the phenomenon

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and if you get to the point to where you

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can recreate it then you should be able

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to get a handle on what it is so the

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approach is very much like any

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scientific investigation where you go in

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trying to be conservative and reserve

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judgment but little by little collect as

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many pieces of the puzzle as possible

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yeah that's a really good point and all

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of a sudden a light bulb went off over

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my head and all of a sudden I realized

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what you've done is you've come up with

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a distant early warning system that

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eliminates a lot of professional field

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work and casts a wide net and with

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qualified amateur investigators then

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you're able to have at least enough data

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to determine whether a full-scale

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investigation with with proper gear or

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proper gear with proper operators and

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and you know a proper analytical process

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can be brought to bear on a particular

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site I it's ingenious and I applaud you

809
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for this well thank you Chris and that

810
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is how I look at it

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I see this as a very practical way to

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give people some type of empowerment to

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learn as much as they can while the

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unpredictable activity is happening

815
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because we know that if you wake up in

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the middle of the night and there's

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something weird happening in your home

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00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,020
you believe there's some some creature

819
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there's a UFO outside whatever by the

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time you get a hold of an investigation

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group you email them or something and

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then they email you back and they ask

823
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you some questions

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then you emailed it and then finally

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they get all their gear to you it could

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be you know at very least days if not

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weeks or months before the crew comes

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out and I know myself too when you

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wander in to somebody's house somebody

830
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say quote-unquote haunted house and you

831
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actually see something paranormal that's

832
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like hitting the jackpot I mean that

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it's so rare it's so unlikely that that

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little slice of ours whether it be a

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full day or two days that you go into

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the home you're going to see what that

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person has experienced what's maybe

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living there for a year too and so it's

839
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good to to know the people will have

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what they need on hand to make some kind

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of headway when the spontaneous

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occurrence is actually happening to them

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the obvious question here from the

844
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devil's advocate side is of course

845
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you're putting amateurs to work here

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with your home brewed gear aren't you

847
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afraid getting a lot of noise before you

848
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get that signal that possibly relevant

849
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no that really is not a concern because

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to me again what's the alternative you

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know the alternative is just a story so

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if the person gives me a bunch of

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meaningless data that's still better

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than not having any data at all if it's

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going to give me some ability to see if

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that person understands what the person

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is talking about I mean I can tell if

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somebody knows what they're talking

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about when they say I think there's an

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electrostatic field in my house and

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that's one thing that I often do with

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investigators you see a lot of

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investigators running around holding

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little boxes in their hands that squeal

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and make noise and they say oh I'm

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getting something here I'm getting

867
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something there and you say well what is

868
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that little box

869
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and the person says well it's an

870
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electromagnetic field meter let me say

871
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well what is an electromagnetic field

872
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and very few of them can give you an

873
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accurate definition and that was that

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was a refrigerator turning on dude and

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and you asked them you know what is the

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shape of an electromagnetic field how

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does that little box in your hand work

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you know if you disassembled it could

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you put it back together again

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I asked people who are giving me

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measurements if somebody says I think

882
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there's an electrostatic anomaly here

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what is an electrostatic anomaly see I I

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am prepared to be able to discuss that

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information make sure they least have a

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clue or part of the clue of what's going

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before we go into more details on how to

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do this like using AM radio Sat document

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UFO interference is supposed to the

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normal interference that the am band can

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produce how did you get trained to do

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this Joshua did you train yourself did

1003
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you kind of learn from the school of

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hard knocks what got you into this thing

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in the first place well this particular

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approach goes all the way back to when I

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was just a kid you know learning about

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science you know elementary and middle

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school level science projects because

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you know when you're a kid you don't

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have any money

1012
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you don't have the freedom to go out and

1013
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buy all this equipment that you can get

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as an adult and so as a kid if you want

1015
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to do scientific experiments you have to

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be creative and innovative and you know

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you have to build a lot of things it's

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like for example you know when I was a

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kid I didn't have a voltmeter and my dad

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didn't have a voltmeter he didn't need

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one and nobody wanted to go spend the

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money for a voltmeter that nobody needed

1023
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so I had to find just a mold piece of

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wire on the back of an appliance and

1025
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coil that wire around the compass

1026
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because you know everybody's got a

1027
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compass you go camping or something and

1028
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:47,970
once you have a piece of wire coiled

1029
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:49,380
around a compass you've got a voltmeter

1030
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:51,900
you can stick a battery up to both ends

1031
00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:54,570
of that wire and if it has current then

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that compass will swing to one side or

1033
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:00,570
the other perpendicular to the field now

1034
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:02,850
that is not accurate enough to tell you

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00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:04,680
exactly how many volts it is and so on

1036
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:06,510
and so forth but it was good enough to

1037
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let me learn some general principles you

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know Michael Faraday style about the

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relationship between electricity and

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magnetism and what I found is that long

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before I had the

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and resources to own all the equipment

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that I have now I had to rely on some of

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these simple methods in order to get my

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foot in the door

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and I sincerely believe that someone who

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makes all the things in this book and

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everything can be made for next to

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nothing you could probably make

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everything in the whole book for less

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than a hundred dollars

1052
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can actually go out and start training

1053
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:45,390
as a professional paranormal

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investigator you know and there are

1055
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people who have contacted me already

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they were having poor man's paranormal

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parties where they are inviting friends

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over and they have the list of all the

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different items needed and in one in one

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or two nights they make all this stuff

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and then they go out and they start

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investigating with it and if you find

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that this works for you and you're happy

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with it well then this will give you the

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confidence to start learning more and

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spending more money and becoming more

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proficient at doing something which

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doesn't really have any strict guideline

1069
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in in nature you know this is you can't

1070
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really get qualified at investigating

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what you don't know about you know it's

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a majestic mysterious subject and so you

1073
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just have to go out there and and

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experience for yourself what just

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happening and what it might be connected

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to of all the things anyone can possibly

1077
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do in their lives what led you to this

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subject above anything else well for one

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thing when it comes to the idea of

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science science is all about trying to

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explain the unexplained and so

1082
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paranormal research is really the purest

1083
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form of scientific philosophy and I'm a

1084
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very curious person I am always driven

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to understand the mechanisms by which

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the things around me operate and I also

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feel that if there is value and rarity

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well these are some of the rarest

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experiences that you can have and

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therefore they must be enormous ly

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valuable it took me years before I was

1092
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:18,660
able to go into a house and see you what

1093
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:20,520
I would call it ghost it took me years

1094
00:45:25,070 --> 00:45:23,010
before I saw objects flying off the

1095
00:45:27,620 --> 00:45:25,080
walls of a house and I couldn't explain

1096
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:27,630
you know why they were flying off the

1097
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:29,880
wall where this force came from and

1098
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:31,670
every time you see something like that

1099
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:33,480
as rare as it

1100
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:36,690
maybe it inspires you to want to know

1101
00:45:42,260 --> 00:45:38,550
more and more and I think one of the

1102
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:42,270
best examples can be given based on the

1103
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,130
work that my team and I have done at

1104
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:46,619
Brown Mountain in Western North Carolina

1105
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:48,930
side of the Brown Mountain lights the

1106
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:49,950
Brown Mountain lights are these

1107
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,810
multicolored spheres of illuminations

1108
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:53,280
that have been seen floating around this

1109
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:55,830
Ridge for perhaps 100 years now I should

1110
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,930
point out to our listeners last week

1111
00:46:03,620 --> 00:46:00,720
when we talked to Micah Hanks he gave us

1112
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,630
somewhat of a basis on the Brown

1113
00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:05,040
Mountain lights and I mentioned at the

1114
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:07,320
time that I had gone up to Weissman's

1115
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:08,609
view one of the places where you

1116
00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:09,930
supposedly see the lights

1117
00:46:13,820 --> 00:46:12,270
I saw planes in the lights it was a

1118
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:13,830
horrendous Drive up there but it was a

1119
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,580
lot of fun many of these so-called real

1120
00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:20,880
scientists over the generations have not

1121
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:22,920
even ventured to investigate the lights

1122
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:24,810
because they dismissed them out of hand

1123
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,750
as an old ghost story but we on the

1124
00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:30,000
other hand spent about 15 years putting

1125
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:32,070
in the observation time which minds you

1126
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:33,210
is the first step of the scientific

1127
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:36,330
method is observation and bringing

1128
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:39,090
scientists up there who were far more

1129
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:41,640
qualified than ourselves physicists and

1130
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:44,040
geologists and so on to monitor while we

1131
00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:45,660
were doing and make sure that we were

1132
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,840
gathering data accurately and eventually

1133
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:50,160
we determined that most of these are

1134
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:53,310
natural phenomenon a type of plasma

1135
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:55,770
similar to ball lightning and we ended

1136
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:57,090
up earning the cover of a science

1137
00:47:02,660 --> 00:46:59,940
journal in 2004 because we reproduced it

1138
00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:02,670
on a miniature scale in the laboratory

1139
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:05,100
in fact there's a video demonstration of

1140
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:06,450
this you can watch for free at my

1141
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:07,380
website

1142
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,650
Joshua P Warren comm ok so this is not

1143
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,680
ET it's not paranormal it's totally

1144
00:47:20,359 --> 00:47:16,800
natural well most of it is and not only

1145
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:20,369
is it natural but by understanding how

1146
00:47:24,830 --> 00:47:22,410
it manifests in nature

1147
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:24,840
we also know how it could be possibly

1148
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:27,150
used for practical purposes like

1149
00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:30,290
assisting in wireless communication

1150
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:33,390
propulsion systems both lethal and

1151
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:35,640
non-lethal weaponry all kinds of

1152
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,260
practical knowledge comes from

1153
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:40,260
understanding how to control plasmas but

1154
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,030
none of that information would be at our

1155
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:44,480
disposal if it weren't for having the

1156
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:47,400
open-mindedness to go out and look

1157
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:50,010
an old ghost story regardless whether

1158
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:51,510
the ghost story is real or not

1159
00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:53,310
right that that's right absolutely

1160
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:55,830
because you have to think about it 150

1161
00:47:59,330 --> 00:47:58,170
years ago if some little cow pokes out

1162
00:48:01,850 --> 00:47:59,340
you know and he's walking through the

1163
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:01,860
field at night looks up and sees a like

1164
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:04,140
he doesn't say wow look there's a plasma

1165
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:05,940
on the mountain you know no that's a

1166
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:08,430
ghost to him but to hate him so you have

1167
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:10,410
to look at the the mindset in the point

1168
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:12,420
of view of the individuals throughout

1169
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,610
history who have seen these things who

1170
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:16,560
were not prepared to understand them

1171
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:19,170
because technology had not caught up to

1172
00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:22,050
that time yet Chris you know that's a

1173
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:24,030
really good point and I think there's a

1174
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:26,850
wealth of investigative potential that

1175
00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:29,910
exists within you know look location

1176
00:48:34,310 --> 00:48:32,190
specific regions where you know

1177
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,320
reoccurring phenomena have been reported

1178
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:36,540
for decades even generations hundreds of

1179
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:39,750
years in some cases and you know I think

1180
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,970
it's really important that we get more

1181
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:43,920
people involved monitoring these areas

1182
00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:46,440
I've come up with a an interesting

1183
00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:49,830
formula to identify a hot spot or a

1184
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:52,350
portal area and one of those points of

1185
00:48:57,860 --> 00:48:55,770
you know the observation of an area is

1186
00:49:01,460 --> 00:48:57,870
that there's a history of some sort of

1187
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:01,470
unusual occurrence or reoccurrence of a

1188
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:04,880
fairly how would I put this a fairly

1189
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:08,760
consistent type of phenomenal event that

1190
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,740
occurs over and over again over a period

1191
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:13,440
of years or generations and you know the

1192
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:15,530
Brown Mountain lights the Marfa lights

1193
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:18,750
there's a number of examples that could

1194
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:21,810
be used in this regard and I think

1195
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:23,610
Joshua you're right the more people we

1196
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:26,730
have monitoring these types of hotspot

1197
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:29,670
areas or location specific investigative

1198
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,100
sites obviously the more data we're

1199
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:34,440
going to accumulate and and the more

1200
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:36,710
we're going to be able to support some

1201
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:40,290
sort of process that flies in the

1202
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:43,250
community in the face of the scientific

1203
00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:46,190
how would I put this tactfully

1204
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:48,120
scientists how about let's put it this

1205
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:50,460
way scientists have a lot a major

1206
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:53,250
problem with amateurs impinging on their

1207
00:49:59,900 --> 00:49:55,770
investigative territory and I think that

1208
00:50:02,539 --> 00:49:59,910
that if we accumulate enough quality

1209
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:02,549
ad hoc sort of MacGyver eyes data it's

1210
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:07,650
going to reach a point where science has

1211
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,440
to take these places and these these

1212
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:13,920
locations seriously and and I really the

1213
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:15,240
more I think about it the more I applaud

1214
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:17,160
your your idea let's let's get

1215
00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:19,530
grassroots let's really let's train

1216
00:50:25,279 --> 00:50:21,329
people if they're really interested

1217
00:50:28,279 --> 00:50:25,289
enough to to be able to utilize their ad

1218
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:28,289
hoc gear let's train them let's get them

1219
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:30,270
all on the same page let's get a good

1220
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:32,339
system of protocols together let's get a

1221
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:35,099
good system of documentation together

1222
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,260
let's get some some serious

1223
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:39,660
investigators helping them analyzing

1224
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,880
their data and move forward with this I

1225
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:43,440
mean we're spinning our wheels in this

1226
00:50:46,819 --> 00:50:44,910
darn field like you I sound like a

1227
00:50:48,589 --> 00:50:46,829
broken record here on this show we're

1228
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,599
spinning our wheels we're not taking the

1229
00:50:53,380 --> 00:50:50,160
ball we're not moving it forward down

1230
00:50:56,359 --> 00:50:53,390
the field and I applaud you are very

1231
00:51:01,520 --> 00:50:56,369
ingenious and stifle practical way of

1232
00:51:03,799 --> 00:51:01,530
making that happen thank you know that

1233
00:51:07,339 --> 00:51:03,809
you know you can see the vision there

1234
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:07,349
for how this may give people that first

1235
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,010
step and even children as I sort of

1236
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:13,200
alluded to can make a lot of this stuff

1237
00:51:17,779 --> 00:51:15,569
and this is a great way for children to

1238
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,789
learn about science in general you know

1239
00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:20,160
building these things to go and I wish I

1240
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:23,670
had this book when I was a kid I wish I

1241
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:25,470
had this book Joshua when I was a kid

1242
00:51:29,299 --> 00:51:27,180
I'll tell you what I used to build

1243
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:29,309
electronic things when I was a kid about

1244
00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:31,020
four or five hundred years ago before

1245
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:32,430
there was anything electronic but

1246
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,099
seriously joshua p warren joins us

1247
00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:37,319
parinama on the cheap we'll talk about

1248
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:39,270
the book about the concept and lots more

1249
00:51:46,750 --> 00:51:41,460
the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1250
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:49,450
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1251
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:52,140
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1252
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1263
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banner at GCN live.com again that's GCN

1264
00:52:22,969 --> 00:52:21,299
live.com hi this is Ted Anderson have

1265
00:52:24,499 --> 00:52:22,979
you ever wondered why banks stockbrokers

1266
00:52:26,029 --> 00:52:24,509
investment advisors won't talk about

1267
00:52:28,729 --> 00:52:26,039
gold I raise they've been available

1268
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:28,739
since 1986 yet the financial industry

1269
00:52:32,359 --> 00:52:30,599
won't recognize the value of gold for

1270
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:32,369
your retirement gold is outperformed

1271
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:34,650
paper investments yet no word about IRAs

1272
00:53:05,300 --> 00:52:36,420
if you would like to have gold for your

1273
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:07,550
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene

1274
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:09,510
Steinberg you're in the power cast with

1275
00:53:14,810 --> 00:53:11,970
Joshua P Warren the MacGyver way if

1276
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:14,820
you're familiar with that age-old ABC TV

1277
00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:17,160
program of exploring the paranormal on

1278
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:20,220
the cheap now one of the things that you

1279
00:53:24,830 --> 00:53:23,310
mention is a possible tool is an AM

1280
00:53:27,830 --> 00:53:24,840
radio and maybe the interference

1281
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:27,840
generated by UFOs or something but with

1282
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:29,610
AM radio and I'm someone who's been on

1283
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,970
AM radio we are on AM radio in some

1284
00:53:37,850 --> 00:53:35,040
cities that show the power cast I know

1285
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:37,860
that AM radio is particularly vulnerable

1286
00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:40,740
to all sorts of noise I mean the noise

1287
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:43,830
comes from your power line you turn the

1288
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:45,720
radio you get noise you turn the antenna

1289
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:49,080
you don't get noise so what about maybe

1290
00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:51,090
a UFO sighting would deliver noise

1291
00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:53,460
that's distinctive Joshua well you know

1292
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:55,620
a lot of people who listen to your show

1293
00:54:00,920 --> 00:53:58,260
may have realized that as they listen to

1294
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:00,930
the program if a thunderstorm happens to

1295
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:03,570
roll in every time lightning strikes the

1296
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:05,490
distance they will hear a little noise

1297
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:09,660
on a station and similarly if you have

1298
00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:12,330
your radio too close to one of the old

1299
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:14,520
computer monitors it would cause a

1300
00:54:20,810 --> 00:54:17,010
crackle of the background and the reason

1301
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:20,820
is that any time there is some type of a

1302
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:24,960
large discharge of electricity NIR and

1303
00:54:32,830 --> 00:54:28,500
antenna that is sending forth an

1304
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:32,840
enormous ripple of electromagnetism that

1305
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:37,800
temporarily overpowers that device so it

1306
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:40,770
is going to just create a even though it

1307
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:43,050
might need two seconds a little burst or

1308
00:54:47,540 --> 00:54:45,150
whatever of energy that bursts of energy

1309
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,550
is going to be significant enough to

1310
00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:49,980
give you that moment where you get a

1311
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:52,560
wide band of interference and in the

1312
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:55,110
same way you can go outside sometimes

1313
00:55:01,520 --> 00:54:58,020
when there's a big meteor shower and put

1314
00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:01,530
your radio on a lower AM band and right

1315
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:03,630
as a meteor comes sort of crackling

1316
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,180
through the atmosphere and breaking

1317
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:08,700
through the ionosphere it will also send

1318
00:55:12,380 --> 00:55:11,250
out an electromagnetic pulse and you can

1319
00:55:16,340 --> 00:55:12,390
hear that on the radio

1320
00:55:18,609 --> 00:55:16,350
and so many of these UFOs seem to

1321
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:18,619
produce the same kind of

1322
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:22,050
they seem to have a very powerful energy

1323
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:25,619
field around them that is radiating and

1324
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:28,050
that's why of course some people not

1325
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,250
only see UFOs but apparently experience

1326
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:34,920
what is considered UFO blindness which

1327
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:37,500
is a form of conjunctivitis where your

1328
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:39,630
eyes will swell up and become red and

1329
00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:41,730
bloodshot because you're looking at

1330
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:43,790
something that's highly radioactive

1331
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:45,390
especially if you're looking at

1332
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:48,570
something like the Sun Zac and in

1333
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:50,490
addition to that we have all kinds of

1334
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:52,200
accounts of people of course who are

1335
00:55:56,990 --> 00:55:54,119
driving down the road in some desolate

1336
00:55:59,359 --> 00:55:57,000
desert and the UFO comes overhead and

1337
00:56:00,620 --> 00:55:59,369
the car stops working you know so and

1338
00:56:02,540 --> 00:56:00,630
this is very similar to what you may

1339
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:02,550
have seen one of these documentary

1340
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:04,859
channels where the cops in some type of

1341
00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:07,890
an e/m pulse out to the bad guys car and

1342
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:11,550
it stops running and so it seems that

1343
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:14,880
the type of energy around the UFO you

1344
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:17,400
can also create a similar interference

1345
00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:21,780
on a low AM radio band and that is to

1346
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:24,660
say that if you look outside and you see

1347
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:27,510
some type of a UFO but you're not

1348
00:56:32,180 --> 00:56:29,430
picking up any interference on your

1349
00:56:35,089 --> 00:56:32,190
radio well then you can say it's

1350
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:35,099
possible that what I'm seeing here is

1351
00:56:39,380 --> 00:56:37,770
not some highly energetic object I mean

1352
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:39,390
I should especially know because for

1353
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:41,849
years I have produced a contest in

1354
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:43,980
Western North Carolina where we invite

1355
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,380
creative people hobbyists and engineers

1356
00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:48,720
to come together and try to create fake

1357
00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:51,630
UFOs they have to be able to fly and

1358
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:53,880
they have to be safe and we launched

1359
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:55,740
these things that have a big party and

1360
00:57:00,680 --> 00:56:57,660
videotaped them have photographed them

1361
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:00,690
and then use them as a reference when we

1362
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:04,290
are analyzing supposed UFO imagery to

1363
00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:06,089
see if what we're looking at could be a

1364
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,480
fake a hoax or something that's a lot

1365
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:12,480
more conventional but if I see UFO like

1366
00:57:16,339 --> 00:57:14,670
a Chinese lantern just gonna say if a

1367
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:16,349
Chinese lantern is out there it's not

1368
00:57:21,620 --> 00:57:18,540
going to provide interference on your AM

1369
00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:21,630
radio but if you see a UFO and the radio

1370
00:57:25,460 --> 00:57:23,579
starts crackling you know you're looking

1371
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:25,470
at a much more serious and substantial

1372
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:29,940
object exactly and as a prior guest on

1373
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:30,810
the show racing

1374
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:33,270
pointed out there was also an emotional

1375
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:39,030
almost psychological effect that UFO

1376
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:41,850
energy fields electromagnetic and

1377
00:57:48,580 --> 00:57:44,280
gravity fields have on the human brain

1378
00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:48,590
and he's coined the term euphoria and

1379
00:57:54,860 --> 00:57:51,630
whenever he feels this particular

1380
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:54,870
sensation it's it's a calmness

1381
00:58:02,210 --> 00:58:00,180
it's a clarity of thought process it has

1382
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:02,220
a what he has determined is a

1383
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:04,770
physiological and almost an emotional

1384
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,630
effect on him he knows to grab his

1385
00:58:11,530 --> 00:58:08,640
camera and run out even though he hasn't

1386
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:11,540
seen anything he's been able to identify

1387
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,630
the physiological reactions of his body

1388
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:18,720
to these exotic fields and then that

1389
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:20,370
that to him is like an alarm clock

1390
00:58:27,050 --> 00:58:23,090
ringing he runs out and is able to film

1391
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:27,060
dozens actually of UFO sightings and you

1392
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:29,880
know Joshua this is really I'm the more

1393
00:58:34,070 --> 00:58:32,250
I listen to you and the more we talk

1394
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,080
about this the more excited I'm getting

1395
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:38,160
I think that this this is what you're

1396
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:40,950
proposing here is a is like a distant

1397
00:58:45,350 --> 00:58:43,650
early warning net that like we used to

1398
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:45,360
have during the Cold War where we had a

1399
00:58:51,620 --> 00:58:48,420
chain of radar stations or across the

1400
00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:51,630
the Arctic Circle to prepare for Russian

1401
00:58:56,510 --> 00:58:54,060
ICBMs and in what you're proposing is a

1402
00:59:00,080 --> 00:58:56,520
similar system that gives a more

1403
00:59:03,550 --> 00:59:00,090
professional minded investigators kind

1404
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:03,560
of a a wake-up call on our alarm clock

1405
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:06,620
you know some sort of indication that

1406
00:59:12,980 --> 00:59:09,540
there's a fairly qualified person who

1407
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:12,990
has been trained to the extent of being

1408
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:14,760
able to identify certain scientific

1409
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:17,880
processes that then deserve to be

1410
00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:20,550
further investigated and you know I

1411
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:23,640
think this is great the more ideas like

1412
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:25,260
this Joshua we can come up with to

1413
00:59:29,330 --> 00:59:27,540
empower the younger generations of

1414
00:59:31,790 --> 00:59:29,340
people that are seeing all these ghost

1415
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:31,800
shows that are watching ancient aliens

1416
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:33,950
on the History Channel that are that are

1417
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:36,930
really wanting to get involved but don't

1418
00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:39,690
really have a clue how to I I think that

1419
00:59:44,810 --> 00:59:41,790
this totally levels the playing field

1420
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:44,820
and gives the younger

1421
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,790
an impetus and a wherewithal to actually

1422
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:49,920
get involved this is great stuff man

1423
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:52,380
well thank you because that was the

1424
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:55,110
intention and it also was the response

1425
01:00:02,060 --> 00:59:58,770
to so many people who contact me every

1426
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:02,070
year and they say what do I have to do

1427
01:00:08,090 --> 01:00:06,510
to be a paranormal investigator and and

1428
01:00:09,530 --> 01:00:08,100
of course I have to tell all these

1429
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:09,540
people that really there's nothing

1430
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:14,400
stopping you because you can't really go

1431
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:17,250
to school and become an expert on

1432
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:19,170
studying something that nobody can

1433
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:23,970
explain yeah and so if you have to carve

1434
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:25,800
your own pathway and to do that you have

1435
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:28,890
to learn as much as possible about all

1436
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:31,950
the possibilities and I think one of the

1437
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:33,900
reasons that so many of your your

1438
01:00:39,380 --> 01:00:36,960
bonafide credential PhD scientists from

1439
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:39,390
big universities and so on are not out

1440
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:40,950
there doing this is because for one

1441
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:42,930
thing they simply don't have the time

1442
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:46,380
and secondly it is not nearly as

1443
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:48,900
profitable to go out and study something

1444
01:00:54,890 --> 01:00:52,290
that may or may not give you a positive

1445
01:00:58,490 --> 01:00:54,900
result after you've spent 20 years on it

1446
01:01:01,460 --> 01:00:58,500
versus something that you know is real

1447
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:01,470
and is tangible like studying of the

1448
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:04,050
biological process of an animal or you

1449
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:07,020
know studying what the moon and the Sun

1450
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:08,970
and the stars are so it's all about

1451
01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:11,130
getting grants and getting something

1452
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:13,080
accomplished now rather than something

1453
01:01:18,140 --> 01:01:15,570
where you have no idea when or if you'll

1454
01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:18,150
have results that's right absolutely no

1455
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:20,070
and you can understand that and you also

1456
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:22,680
can understand why that if a person goes

1457
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:25,110
to school for all those years and wants

1458
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:27,000
to get a degree once they've got it they

1459
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:28,890
want to make the most of it and that

1460
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:31,380
means you know getting maybe 10 years

1461
01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:34,650
someday at a university and so it's not

1462
01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:37,140
worth the risk for many of them to go

1463
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:38,700
out and publicly investigate

1464
01:01:45,530 --> 01:01:42,180
controversial or material on the other

1465
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:45,540
hand you do find that all the time I

1466
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:47,940
talked to some of your smartest people I

1467
01:01:53,330 --> 01:01:51,240
mean Nobel Prize winners and people who

1468
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:53,340
have you know invented remarkable

1469
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:56,130
devices and they'll want to talk to me

1470
01:02:01,340 --> 01:01:58,260
privately and tell me all that

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01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:01,350
all their ideas about you know what the

1472
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:03,750
aliens are up to and what ghosts are and

1473
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:04,980
they'll tell you about profound

1474
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:08,190
experiences they themselves have had but

1475
01:02:11,570 --> 01:02:09,930
they want those conversations to be kept

1476
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,580
in confidence they have to be

1477
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:13,920
politically I was just gonna ask hold on

1478
01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:15,750
wait a minute I got to grab a little

1479
01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:17,430
that one okay you've talked to Nobel

1480
01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:19,800
Prize winners and top scientists and

1481
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,630
they've told you privately that they

1482
01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:23,520
have a sense of what the aliens are up

1483
01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:27,630
to can we hypothetically in a non

1484
01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:30,180
personal way ascribing this information

1485
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in individuals can we talk about that

1486
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real quick and digress and before we

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even and continue with that question

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01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:38,640
we're talking about Joshua P Warren the

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co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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Steinberg you're in the para cast have

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generalized into the nation what's going

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on as a nation we do these same things

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Swenson at mitos resources and I want to

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address a couple of issues that I hear

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about daily and we're talking about gold

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and silver first is there anything to

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suggest that sunny skies are just ahead

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we continue to print fiat dollars

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inflation worsens there's civil unrest

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around the world and demand for gold and

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silver has never ever been higher next

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if you heard that possessing metals was

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a complicated process I assure you that

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whether we're discussing a direct

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purchase or an IRA rollover this is a

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simple straightforward transaction this

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is all about protecting your assets and

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frankly what are your options the stock

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unknown with Joshua P Warren and he says

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he's talked to Nobel Prize winners and

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others on the Qt about their experiences

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and expectations and knowledge can you

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answer that question yeah absolutely I

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mean many of the people that I talked to

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who are truly intelligent people who

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have accomplished major things in

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science are very open to the reality

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that there is probably more life in the

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universe to what we find on this planet

1604
01:08:04,940 --> 01:08:03,360
obviously most of them don't know much

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01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:04,950
more than you or I probably do about

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01:08:10,940 --> 01:08:07,890
what's happening but all of them they

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say that it's pretty clear that there is

1608
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evidence that what is here on earth did

1609
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:18,150
not seem to gradually just evolve over a

1610
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,170
nice linear pathway it instead there are

1611
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:24,480
periods of time then suddenly there

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seems to be a huge jump forth you know a

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big abrupt jagged surge and development

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01:08:37,190 --> 01:08:34,200
which is not so easy to account for if

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01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:37,200
you look at the traditional view of you

1616
01:08:41,539 --> 01:08:39,480
know biological evolution and that is to

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say that in certain points in time that

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humans have been influenced by something

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01:08:50,780 --> 01:08:48,150
else that life in general just just life

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01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:50,790
in general Joshua the Precambrian

1621
01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:53,490
explosion we had a guest on a few

1622
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:56,190
segments a few episodes ago dr. John

1623
01:09:01,039 --> 01:08:58,440
Brandenburg who suggested that Mars

1624
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,049
meteorites ejecta from Mars with life

1625
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:03,600
may have actually helped seed and

1626
01:09:08,749 --> 01:09:05,880
jumpstart life here in the Precambrian

1627
01:09:11,210 --> 01:09:08,759
explosion on earth so even just basic

1628
01:09:12,620 --> 01:09:11,220
biology can be affected by this what

1629
01:09:14,829 --> 01:09:12,630
you're saying they're suggesting is that

1630
01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:14,839
that even human development could be

1631
01:09:22,820 --> 01:09:19,799
impacted because we have this sense that

1632
01:09:24,170 --> 01:09:22,830
we know just about everything that's

1633
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:24,180
happening in the world which is in a

1634
01:09:29,539 --> 01:09:27,330
very false illusion that is to say that

1635
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,549
right now we live in a world when for

1636
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:31,440
the first time ever you can communicate

1637
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:34,410
almost instantly with someone in China

1638
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:35,730
you know someone on the other side of

1639
01:09:41,490 --> 01:09:38,460
the globe you can look almost instantly

1640
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:41,500
at any spot on the planet using a Sat

1641
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:44,560
like you can turn on the TV and go live

1642
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:46,839
via satellite any place on the planet

1643
01:09:52,140 --> 01:09:49,420
where some news story is developing and

1644
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:52,150
so that gives many people this false

1645
01:09:57,450 --> 01:09:54,490
sense that well there's nothing left to

1646
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:57,460
be discovered we can go and see whatever

1647
01:10:03,180 --> 01:10:00,640
we want at any time and get information

1648
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:03,190
at the speed of light therefore there's

1649
01:10:09,090 --> 01:10:07,090
nothing new but that could not be a more

1650
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:09,100
unreliable and false perception because

1651
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:12,570
we are not fully grasping the

1652
01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:14,650
unbelievable magnitude the

1653
01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:19,180
incomprehensible mass of the vastness

1654
01:10:23,940 --> 01:10:21,700
all around us you know this unknown void

1655
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:23,950
which becomes more and more intriguing

1656
01:10:29,730 --> 01:10:27,060
all the time and it's funny to me that

1657
01:10:31,950 --> 01:10:29,740
the other day I was sitting at a

1658
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:31,960
restaurant with a few friends and I said

1659
01:10:37,820 --> 01:10:35,530
out of the blue let's do a little test a

1660
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:37,830
little experiment and I said right now

1661
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:40,810
let's see who the first person is who

1662
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:42,850
can take a picture of this sauce shaker

1663
01:10:46,170 --> 01:10:44,710
and suddenly everybody starts you know

1664
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,180
scrambling and rushing for their cell

1665
01:10:51,390 --> 01:10:48,640
phone one of my friends got a picture of

1666
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:51,400
the salt shaker in seven seconds and of

1667
01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:53,110
course then the rest followed suit very

1668
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:54,580
quickly and just about everybody had a

1669
01:10:59,820 --> 01:10:57,010
picture of a salt shaker in less than 15

1670
01:11:00,720 --> 01:10:59,830
seconds now never in the history of

1671
01:11:03,630 --> 01:11:00,730
mankind

1672
01:11:06,090 --> 01:11:03,640
have we had a point when the average

1673
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:06,100
person in a civilized you know country

1674
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:09,400
is able to photograph something that

1675
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:12,250
just spontaneously appears in less than

1676
01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:14,290
ten seconds because that we have this

1677
01:11:19,470 --> 01:11:17,590
ability all around us now again a lot of

1678
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:19,480
people think well if there are ghosts if

1679
01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:21,730
there were UFOs everybody should have a

1680
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:23,680
picture of one by now the fact of the

1681
01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:26,710
matter is there are tons and tons of new

1682
01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:29,620
images that are coming out every day but

1683
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:32,710
the downside is the same technology that

1684
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:34,570
allows you to capture those things so

1685
01:11:39,870 --> 01:11:37,150
quickly has also made it incredibly easy

1686
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:39,880
to hoax them and so now the challenge

1687
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:42,010
becomes how do we difference yeah back

1688
01:11:47,550 --> 01:11:44,290
from fiction and what you find is that

1689
01:11:50,190 --> 01:11:47,560
an image itself is only worth so much an

1690
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:50,200
image alone will never prove anything

1691
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:51,910
you take something like the Patterson

1692
01:11:55,229 --> 01:11:54,790
Bigfoot film okay I don't know what was

1693
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:55,239
on

1694
01:12:00,569 --> 01:11:58,719
intend to get into that but the point is

1695
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:00,579
does it matter does it whether or not

1696
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:02,710
that was a real Bigfoot or a guy in a

1697
01:12:07,859 --> 01:12:05,590
suit the footage proves nothing

1698
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:07,869
and so in order for us to make headway

1699
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:11,440
we have to combine imagery with all of

1700
01:12:15,330 --> 01:12:13,030
these other tools that allow us to

1701
01:12:17,299 --> 01:12:15,340
document what's happening before us and

1702
01:12:19,169 --> 01:12:17,309
that is where society is lacking

1703
01:12:21,390 --> 01:12:19,179
understanding how to measure the

1704
01:12:23,850 --> 01:12:21,400
physical and the atmospheric

1705
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:23,860
environments that might somehow give us

1706
01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:26,289
support for what is being seen in that

1707
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:28,780
image yeah really good point as the

1708
01:12:34,169 --> 01:12:31,570
technology increases we have the ability

1709
01:12:35,850 --> 01:12:34,179
to document more of our reality up close

1710
01:12:38,879 --> 01:12:35,860
and personal but we also have the

1711
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:38,889
ability to fabricate reality which is

1712
01:12:46,410 --> 01:12:43,780
has really becoming a serious problem

1713
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:46,420
not so much scientifically but more

1714
01:12:51,089 --> 01:12:49,210
culturally footage like the Jerusalem

1715
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,099
video I'm still getting videos from

1716
01:12:56,339 --> 01:12:53,440
people saying have you seen this oh this

1717
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,349
is so amazing and it's like been two

1718
01:13:01,049 --> 01:12:58,719
months three months since you know the

1719
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:01,059
initial analysis has come down the pike

1720
01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:04,510
and in people culturally aren't aware of

1721
01:13:10,350 --> 01:13:07,710
that history that that that chain of

1722
01:13:12,930 --> 01:13:10,360
documentation and and an analysis

1723
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:12,940
they're not aware of it yet they're

1724
01:13:17,850 --> 01:13:15,130
discovering the initial footage and it's

1725
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:17,860
it's it's like a snowball on the culture

1726
01:13:22,649 --> 01:13:20,050
so you know we're dealing with a with a

1727
01:13:26,009 --> 01:13:22,659
kind of a double-edged sword here you're

1728
01:13:27,899 --> 01:13:26,019
proposing training amateurs with amateur

1729
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:27,909
equipment to be like a distant early

1730
01:13:34,020 --> 01:13:31,090
warning system or you know a precursor

1731
01:13:35,129 --> 01:13:34,030
kind of a recon team to go out and

1732
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:35,139
document sites

1733
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:37,630
yet it's also fertile ground for people

1734
01:13:42,509 --> 01:13:40,449
to take this and further muddy the

1735
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:42,519
waters further provide noise into the

1736
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:45,369
signals as as is our contention here

1737
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:47,110
that we need to separate the signal from

1738
01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:49,210
the noise so how do you surmount that I

1739
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:51,940
mean is there any way to separate the

1740
01:13:54,779 --> 01:13:53,050
wheat from the chaff as you're

1741
01:13:57,870 --> 01:13:54,789
empowering people to go out and document

1742
01:14:02,220 --> 01:13:57,880
things sure it really is all based in

1743
01:14:03,919 --> 01:14:02,230
that undeniable and ultimate goal of the

1744
01:14:07,739 --> 01:14:03,929
scientific method and that is

1745
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:07,749
repeatability whatever you get however a

1746
01:14:11,150 --> 01:14:08,370
profile

1747
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:11,160
it may seem in the long run it's not

1748
01:14:16,090 --> 01:14:13,410
going to be meaningful to anyone else

1749
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:16,100
unless it provides the basis for

1750
01:14:22,460 --> 01:14:19,170
repeatability that is to say if you have

1751
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:22,470
done a proper job of uncovering that

1752
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:25,440
relationship of cause and effect those

1753
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:27,690
factors in the environment which need to

1754
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:30,990
be present for this paranormal anomaly

1755
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:34,320
to present itself then you should after

1756
01:14:39,230 --> 01:14:36,690
a while be able to predict what it's

1757
01:14:41,630 --> 01:14:39,240
going to happen and that's what's so

1758
01:14:43,690 --> 01:14:41,640
great about say Brown mountain after all

1759
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,700
these years we've now come up with four

1760
01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:46,320
factors that allow you the highest

1761
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:48,630
chances of seeing the brown mountain

1762
01:14:53,660 --> 01:14:51,780
life and I get people contacting me all

1763
01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:53,670
the time saying wow you know you're

1764
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:55,620
right we went out there when you know

1765
01:14:58,970 --> 01:14:57,060
the temperature was like this and the

1766
01:15:01,280 --> 01:14:58,980
rainfall was like this and the KP index

1767
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:01,290
was like that and there they were and so

1768
01:15:05,780 --> 01:15:03,170
the closer we get to the right answer

1769
01:15:08,150 --> 01:15:05,790
the more accurately we'll be able to

1770
01:15:10,580 --> 01:15:08,160
predict these things and if you've got a

1771
01:15:14,060 --> 01:15:10,590
ghost in your house that is appearing

1772
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,070
under some regular conditions and you

1773
01:15:18,650 --> 01:15:16,320
learn what those conditions are then you

1774
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,660
should be able to tell me when I can

1775
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:20,640
come to your house and have the highest

1776
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:23,850
chances of seeing that ghost and in fact

1777
01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:26,400
just recently we discovered that in the

1778
01:15:31,220 --> 01:15:29,400
old jelling Gallo's which I have here in

1779
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,230
Asheville I've got a museum set up in

1780
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:32,640
there I'll tell you what will go into

1781
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,050
that Museum and we'll go about

1782
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,480
repeatability and all that stuff in a

1783
01:15:40,820 --> 01:15:38,760
moment Joshua P Warren joining us I'm

1784
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:40,830
gene steinberg the co-host is Chris

1785
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:49,000
[Music]

1786
01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:52,410
Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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relentless perplexing nightmares

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nightmares of a horrific battle in deep

1790
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space and of a mysterious woman

1791
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1792
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world a woman not yet born calling

1793
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across centuries to him then a

1794
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coincidence leads him to his destiny his

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chance to alter the universe attack of

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in the collapse of our governments and

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our economy our country can't function

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hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

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wondered why banks stockbrokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

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1879
01:20:12,140 --> 01:20:08,140
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

1880
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[Music]

1881
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:17,310
we returned Chris O'Brien's the co-host

1882
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:19,409
I'm gene steinberger in the podcast with

1883
01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:21,840
Joshua P Warren and the question of

1884
01:20:26,450 --> 01:20:24,630
course on the table is repeatability and

1885
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you were about to talk about this museum

1886
01:20:31,819 --> 01:20:29,099
which you please proceed Joshua yes sure

1887
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:31,829
I've got a museum in the old jail and

1888
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:34,170
gallows building here in Asheville North

1889
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:36,420
Carolina it's the last standing

1890
01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:38,610
structure of the old jail complex is on

1891
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:40,710
Marjorie Street and they used to hang

1892
01:20:45,740 --> 01:20:43,050
people all up and down the street and

1893
01:20:47,839 --> 01:20:45,750
it's got quite a dark history but

1894
01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:47,849
nonetheless the museum has only been

1895
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:51,329
open since December and it dosent to the

1896
01:20:58,010 --> 01:20:53,880
museum a lady named Kat was closing up

1897
01:21:02,330 --> 01:20:58,020
by herself on believe was Sunday January

1898
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:02,340
23rd of this year and that was walking

1899
01:21:07,609 --> 01:21:04,560
through a little theatre section we've

1900
01:21:09,740 --> 01:21:07,619
got in the back room she was startled

1901
01:21:12,410 --> 01:21:09,750
because she slammed right into a Poldark

1902
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:12,420
man and she thought she just rudely

1903
01:21:16,189 --> 01:21:14,250
walked into somebody who'd come into the

1904
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:16,199
museum without her knowledge and then he

1905
01:21:20,180 --> 01:21:18,329
disappeared now she'd never had an

1906
01:21:22,459 --> 01:21:20,190
experience like this so it rattled her

1907
01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:22,469
and she quickly you know closed up and

1908
01:21:26,569 --> 01:21:25,020
and contacted me afterward pretty

1909
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:26,579
frightened by what had happened to her

1910
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,650
and so uh you know what that was

1911
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:30,480
interesting on its own well less than

1912
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:33,690
three hours later our chief historian a

1913
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:36,690
man named Vance Pollock who had no

1914
01:21:42,589 --> 01:21:39,449
knowledge of cats experience found out

1915
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:42,599
that a former sheriff Buncombe County

1916
01:21:48,890 --> 01:21:45,690
and Chief of Police of Asheville named

1917
01:21:52,189 --> 01:21:48,900
John Wiley had killed himself in our

1918
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,199
building in 1924 we went in there and

1919
01:21:59,589 --> 01:21:54,239
put service revolver to his right temple

1920
01:22:04,609 --> 01:21:59,599
and he did it on January 23rd of 1924

1921
01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:04,619
exactly 87 years to the day before cat

1922
01:22:09,919 --> 01:22:07,710
saw this apparition now to see this

1923
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:09,929
develop you know just to be right there

1924
01:22:14,750 --> 01:22:12,030
myself with people whom I know and trust

1925
01:22:16,879 --> 01:22:14,760
and to see those factors develop over a

1926
01:22:19,339 --> 01:22:16,889
period of hours was enough to send a

1927
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:19,349
chill down my spine this is the kind of

1928
01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:20,760
thing where all the pieces come together

1929
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:22,710
so well it's almost like a story you

1930
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:25,380
could tell around a campfire I know that

1931
01:22:29,419 --> 01:22:27,510
she had this profound experience

1932
01:22:32,089 --> 01:22:29,429
and I know that on that same day a few

1933
01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:32,099
hours later another friend found out

1934
01:22:36,949 --> 01:22:34,440
about the suicide and that it was that

1935
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:36,959
exact day then I ask you a fast question

1936
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:39,239
here Joshua moving back to the Brown

1937
01:22:44,569 --> 01:22:42,300
Mountain lights about repeatability so I

1938
01:22:47,209 --> 01:22:44,579
want to go back there can you tell me

1939
01:22:49,459 --> 01:22:47,219
what conditions need to be present for

1940
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:49,469
me to see something absolutely and

1941
01:22:53,719 --> 01:22:51,449
before I do that the point of the ghost

1942
01:22:55,370 --> 01:22:53,729
story is that that is a repeatability

1943
01:22:57,739 --> 01:22:55,380
factor yes what we're going to be doing

1944
01:22:59,419 --> 01:22:57,749
next January 23rd we're going to be

1945
01:23:02,209 --> 01:22:59,429
sitting there waiting for this ghost to

1946
01:23:04,540 --> 01:23:02,219
appear and you have to look for these

1947
01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:04,550
patterns like that at Brown Mountain

1948
01:23:10,069 --> 01:23:07,409
there are four variables that will help

1949
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:10,079
you see the Brown Mountain lights and I

1950
01:23:13,699 --> 01:23:12,300
can explain also why these four

1951
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:13,709
variables matter but first I'll just

1952
01:23:18,199 --> 01:23:14,729
tell you what they are

1953
01:23:20,770 --> 01:23:18,209
number one is time of year and that is

1954
01:23:24,169 --> 01:23:20,780
about mid-october up to early November

1955
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:24,179
secondly if it's during or just after a

1956
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:27,420
rainy period third is if there happens

1957
01:23:32,509 --> 01:23:29,880
to be an extra amount of carbon in the

1958
01:23:34,879 --> 01:23:32,519
air like a bunch of campers are out

1959
01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:34,889
there burning campfires or in fact one

1960
01:23:38,959 --> 01:23:36,780
year I think it might have been 2000

1961
01:23:42,379 --> 01:23:38,969
there was actually a forest fire down

1962
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:42,389
the road and the last factor is when the

1963
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:46,860
KP index measures a 5 or above and that

1964
01:23:52,729 --> 01:23:49,650
is a measurement of the disturbance of

1965
01:23:55,129 --> 01:23:52,739
the Earth's magnetosphere so when the

1966
01:23:58,160 --> 01:23:55,139
magnetosphere is wobbling around a bit

1967
01:24:00,859 --> 01:23:58,170
that seems to enhance it so those are

1968
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:00,869
the four factors and all those can be

1969
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:03,090
found online at Brown Mountain lights

1970
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:06,090
calm but do you want to know why those

1971
01:24:10,549 --> 01:24:08,880
factors are important or or move on you

1972
01:24:13,549 --> 01:24:10,559
go for it man we're all ears

1973
01:24:16,459 --> 01:24:13,559
ok well to start with pine this year is

1974
01:24:19,729 --> 01:24:16,469
important again October into November

1975
01:24:22,250 --> 01:24:19,739
for two reasons number one because that

1976
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:22,260
is the time of year when it starts to

1977
01:24:26,589 --> 01:24:24,300
really shift quickly in the cold weather

1978
01:24:29,949 --> 01:24:26,599
around here and the difference between

1979
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:29,959
daytime and nighttime temperatures is so

1980
01:24:36,949 --> 01:24:33,420
distinct that that causes the mountain

1981
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:36,959
to very quickly cool and contract and

1982
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:39,489
squeeze the rocks together

1983
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:42,850
we find that basically I think the

1984
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:44,650
mountain and part acts like a large

1985
01:24:49,890 --> 01:24:46,930
capacitor it's got layers of magnetite

1986
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:49,900
and quartz all throw that that's

1987
01:24:53,459 --> 01:24:51,730
important quartz quartz is young

1988
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:53,469
important and of course quartz is a

1989
01:24:56,910 --> 01:24:55,210
nonconductor and magnetite is a

1990
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:56,920
conductor when you have conductors and

1991
01:25:00,750 --> 01:24:59,920
non-conductors these form a capacitor or

1992
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:00,760
a condenser

1993
01:25:05,010 --> 01:25:03,130
something that stores up small charges

1994
01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:05,020
over a period of time to a critical

1995
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:07,960
point when it then discharges in a large

1996
01:25:12,810 --> 01:25:10,330
way another thing about that time of

1997
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:12,820
year is that that is the fall here and

1998
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:14,650
of course the leaves are off the trees

1999
01:25:19,260 --> 01:25:16,690
so not only do you have better

2000
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:19,270
visibility but as those leaves are

2001
01:25:23,940 --> 01:25:21,550
deteriorating on the ground they're

2002
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:23,950
producing panik acid which is a great

2003
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:26,170
electrolyte which is a good conductor

2004
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:27,850
for anything electrical happening within

2005
01:25:32,729 --> 01:25:31,360
the mountain secondly has before or

2006
01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:32,739
actually I should say just right after

2007
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,750
or during a rainy spell and that's

2008
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:37,360
because the mountain is full of little

2009
01:25:42,180 --> 01:25:39,760
caverns and holes and as water runs

2010
01:25:44,250 --> 01:25:42,190
through the mountain the water passes

2011
01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:44,260
over those shelves of magnetite and

2012
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:46,150
quartz and it charges them up that's one

2013
01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:48,730
of the big charging mechanisms when the

2014
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,430
mountain cools it contracts and that

2015
01:25:55,890 --> 01:25:53,280
contraction is further enhanced by

2016
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:55,900
thrust faults which almost completely

2017
01:26:00,180 --> 01:25:58,210
encircled the mountain those layers they

2018
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:00,190
start squeezing together and they start

2019
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:02,890
to discharge and what we determined in

2020
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:04,930
our lab experiment was that when several

2021
01:26:10,770 --> 01:26:07,840
discharges intersect at about an 8

2022
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:10,780
degree angle those intersections meet up

2023
01:26:15,630 --> 01:26:13,210
and they start to spin and when they

2024
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:15,640
spin they create what looks to the naked

2025
01:26:20,610 --> 01:26:18,370
eye like a little ball of light at the

2026
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:20,620
pivot point and the speed with which

2027
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:23,050
that spins determines how it appears in

2028
01:26:28,620 --> 01:26:26,170
terms of what color or if it can only be

2029
01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:28,630
seen in the infrared or the ultraviolet

2030
01:26:32,850 --> 01:26:30,670
often it will sort of shift in and out

2031
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:32,860
of the visible and invisible frequencies

2032
01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:36,310
and the plasma that's created is always

2033
01:26:41,370 --> 01:26:38,230
enhanced if there is more carbon in the

2034
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,380
air it gives a fuel if you will through

2035
01:26:45,390 --> 01:26:43,360
the reactor which is why you can create

2036
01:26:47,729 --> 01:26:45,400
a little ball of plasma in your

2037
01:26:49,050 --> 01:26:47,739
microwave if you let a cigarette burn in

2038
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:49,060
there you've probably seen that little

2039
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:52,510
little example and then the last

2040
01:27:01,190 --> 01:26:56,320
the KP index is important because when

2041
01:27:05,370 --> 01:27:01,200
the Earth's magnetic field wobbles it

2042
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:05,380
induces a current that passes through

2043
01:27:14,970 --> 01:27:10,350
all the planet and it also determines

2044
01:27:16,620 --> 01:27:14,980
our distance from the particles coming

2045
01:27:18,810 --> 01:27:16,630
in from the Sun which is why if you're

2046
01:27:20,940 --> 01:27:18,820
standing near the North Pole

2047
01:27:23,370 --> 01:27:20,950
you can see the aurora borealis so

2048
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:23,380
clearly or the aurora australis toward

2049
01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:26,170
the South Pole it's because that as it

2050
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:30,460
wobbles if that shielding field becomes

2051
01:27:34,890 --> 01:27:33,130
thin enough it brings you closer to

2052
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:34,900
these particles which are bombarding the

2053
01:27:41,370 --> 01:27:37,570
earth and as this field wobbles around

2054
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:41,380
it induces a strong current through the

2055
01:27:49,290 --> 01:27:44,560
earth in a dynamo effect that seems to

2056
01:27:51,810 --> 01:27:49,300
enhance the overall dynamics of places

2057
01:27:54,150 --> 01:27:51,820
like brown mountain which are natural

2058
01:27:57,180 --> 01:27:54,160
conductors places which are close to the

2059
01:28:00,360 --> 01:27:57,190
surface that are outlets for this

2060
01:28:03,630 --> 01:28:00,370
electricity to become visible for us now

2061
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:03,640
just because many of these lights seem

2062
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:04,930
to be the product of a natural

2063
01:28:10,110 --> 01:28:07,930
phenomenon that does not discount other

2064
01:28:12,510 --> 01:28:10,120
paranormal activity because it may be

2065
01:28:15,180 --> 01:28:12,520
that a place like brown mountain that

2066
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:15,190
produces so much energy naturally also

2067
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:17,920
triggers other paranormal experiences

2068
01:28:22,020 --> 01:28:21,520
that it allows people to see into other

2069
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:22,030
realms

2070
01:28:27,780 --> 01:28:25,450
maybe UFOs go there to recharge their

2071
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:27,790
batteries or something you know so this

2072
01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:30,400
is a quarter phenomenon but it does not

2073
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,830
necessarily explain all other phenomena

2074
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:34,960
connected to it well we're going to be

2075
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:37,330
breaking for our benefactors in a moment

2076
01:28:41,550 --> 01:28:38,460
but I'm going to ask you that question

2077
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:41,560
which is okay so tell us about

2078
01:28:45,330 --> 01:28:43,810
paranormal elements we can start here

2079
01:28:47,940 --> 01:28:45,340
then pick up on the next segment go

2080
01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:47,950
ahead please okay well we could talk a

2081
01:28:55,050 --> 01:28:51,190
little bit about cryptids perhaps in

2082
01:28:56,970 --> 01:28:55,060
Brown Mountain there are some cryptids

2083
01:28:59,610 --> 01:28:56,980
seen at Brown mountain but at Brown

2084
01:29:02,550 --> 01:28:59,620
Mountain I think certainly ghosts and

2085
01:29:04,380 --> 01:29:02,560
UFOs are the most important okay so

2086
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:04,390
there have been UFO sightings there

2087
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:04,850
thing

2088
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:07,370
that can't be identified is some kind of

2089
01:29:11,170 --> 01:29:09,410
standard atmospheric or surface

2090
01:29:12,940 --> 01:29:11,180
phenomenon I'll tell you what this is

2091
01:29:15,070 --> 01:29:12,950
one of the things that we're going to

2092
01:29:17,290 --> 01:29:15,080
want to explore more detail once again a

2093
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:17,300
reminder listeners we're talking about

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2095
01:29:26,350 --> 01:29:23,300
so many peas I want to stop popping them

2096
01:29:28,300 --> 01:29:26,360
and I welcome your input new is at the

2097
01:29:30,730 --> 01:29:28,310
power cast calm use of the para cast

2098
01:29:32,110 --> 01:29:30,740
calm Chris and I will go over them and

2099
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,120
try to come out with something that

2100
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:35,120
really represents value and fund

2101
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:37,370
everyone we have Joshua P Warren I'm

2102
01:29:45,470 --> 01:29:39,410
Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris

2103
01:29:45,480 --> 01:29:49,110
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of searching for great talk radio more

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important search for overrule we are the

2196
01:34:07,919 --> 01:34:05,320
gcn radio network welcome back to the

2197
01:34:14,140 --> 01:34:07,929
podcast the gold standard of paranormal

2198
01:34:18,850 --> 01:34:15,629
[Music]

2199
01:34:21,129 --> 01:34:18,860
yes Chris is a pro we haven't said it

2200
01:34:22,359 --> 01:34:21,139
what but he'll get into that Joshua's a

2201
01:34:24,729 --> 01:34:22,369
pro hold on

2202
01:34:27,369 --> 01:34:24,739
you know we returned with Chris O'Brien

2203
01:34:30,009 --> 01:34:27,379
the co-host gene Steinberg the host in

2204
01:34:33,159 --> 01:34:30,019
the para cast and Chris is about to talk

2205
01:34:34,810 --> 01:34:33,169
about another Pro well I think we kind

2206
01:34:35,739 --> 01:34:34,820
of got I had a head of ourselves a

2207
01:34:38,379 --> 01:34:35,749
little bit here gene

2208
01:34:41,409 --> 01:34:38,389
Joshua before we go on and I'm just

2209
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:41,419
absolutely fascinated with your depth of

2210
01:34:44,290 --> 01:34:42,169
knowledge

2211
01:34:47,259 --> 01:34:44,300
you're a wonderful bridge between the

2212
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:47,269
scientific realm healthily skeptical but

2213
01:34:52,149 --> 01:34:50,090
open-minded and the practical you know

2214
01:34:54,189 --> 01:34:52,159
let's get her done let's get on the

2215
01:34:57,459 --> 01:34:54,199
ground let's really organize people

2216
01:35:00,279 --> 01:34:57,469
let's you know let's really do the work

2217
01:35:02,139 --> 01:35:00,289
and we really should have started the

2218
01:35:04,060 --> 01:35:02,149
show actually talking about the league

2219
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:04,070
of energy materialization and

2220
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:07,280
unexplained phenomena research or Leamer

2221
01:35:13,330 --> 01:35:10,489
which is you know one of our working on

2222
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:13,340
the grassroots level having gear having

2223
01:35:17,169 --> 01:35:15,199
good consultants really doing a good job

2224
01:35:19,359 --> 01:35:17,179
why don't you tell us give us a little

2225
01:35:21,489 --> 01:35:19,369
background about Leamer your involvement

2226
01:35:24,609 --> 01:35:21,499
how it started some of the people you

2227
01:35:26,290 --> 01:35:24,619
have involved in in this whole ongoing

2228
01:35:30,250 --> 01:35:26,300
process absolutely

2229
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:30,260
I created lemur in 1995 and that's

2230
01:35:36,939 --> 01:35:33,679
because I realized very quickly that to

2231
01:35:38,949 --> 01:35:36,949
go out into the field and gather the

2232
01:35:41,889 --> 01:35:38,959
spectrum of data it would be necessary

2233
01:35:45,009 --> 01:35:41,899
to look at all the possible variables

2234
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:45,019
was going to require people who had much

2235
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:47,090
more expertise than myself who could

2236
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:49,249
focus on individual areas and that's

2237
01:35:52,839 --> 01:35:50,719
that's one of the great things about

2238
01:35:54,939 --> 01:35:52,849
paranormal research you don't have to

2239
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:54,949
know everything yourself you know you if

2240
01:35:58,989 --> 01:35:56,449
you don't know something you just go

2241
01:36:01,089 --> 01:35:58,999
find somebody who does and that's the

2242
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:01,099
value of teamwork and so I have a

2243
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:03,199
variety of specialists I've worked with

2244
01:36:07,899 --> 01:36:04,610
throughout the years on different

2245
01:36:11,469 --> 01:36:07,909
projects we specialize in ghostly

2246
01:36:13,919 --> 01:36:11,479
activity because ghostly activity and in

2247
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:13,929
one way or another seems to relate to

2248
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:17,209
studying everything else and I say that

2249
01:36:22,509 --> 01:36:20,090
because Ghost activity is really just

2250
01:36:24,939 --> 01:36:22,519
about energy and all things create yeah

2251
01:36:25,620 --> 01:36:24,949
but it's location specific that's what I

2252
01:36:27,810 --> 01:36:25,630
love about

2253
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:27,820
you can go to a place that has a history

2254
01:36:33,660 --> 01:36:30,610
and and even documentation of events and

2255
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:33,670
you have a much better chance of zeroing

2256
01:36:38,220 --> 01:36:36,400
in on a particular location as opposed

2257
01:36:40,590 --> 01:36:38,230
to running around during the siding wave

2258
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:40,600
trying to document UFOs for instance

2259
01:36:44,370 --> 01:36:42,490
yeah you're absolutely right that's one

2260
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:44,380
of the toughest things to do is to try

2261
01:36:48,270 --> 01:36:46,570
to study UFOs I mean you feel so

2262
01:36:50,730 --> 01:36:48,280
helpless here we are these little

2263
01:36:56,220 --> 01:36:50,740
earthbound Souls you know gazing up and

2264
01:36:58,290 --> 01:36:56,230
to the right so okay let's let's talk

2265
01:37:00,990 --> 01:36:58,300
about cutting to the chase I mean you

2266
01:37:03,900 --> 01:37:01,000
really have come up I think with a very

2267
01:37:06,540 --> 01:37:03,910
ingenious format to actually look at

2268
01:37:09,090 --> 01:37:06,550
location specific phenomena and continue

2269
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:09,100
on how this of all well you know over

2270
01:37:14,730 --> 01:37:12,030
the years we started realizing that

2271
01:37:17,490 --> 01:37:14,740
looking at energy was the key that's why

2272
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:17,500
Lemur stands for the league of energy

2273
01:37:21,660 --> 01:37:19,810
materialization and unexplained

2274
01:37:23,850 --> 01:37:21,670
phenomena research so we take things

2275
01:37:26,340 --> 01:37:23,860
that people experience they cannot

2276
01:37:28,980 --> 01:37:26,350
explain and we try to look at what

2277
01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:28,990
energies may be involved keeping that

2278
01:37:35,820 --> 01:37:33,190
open approach has allowed us to see many

2279
01:37:37,530 --> 01:37:35,830
of these phenomena with fresh eyes from

2280
01:37:38,970 --> 01:37:37,540
a new perspective and you know some of

2281
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:38,980
the members we have a one as a

2282
01:37:45,060 --> 01:37:42,250
professional geologist one is a surgeon

2283
01:37:47,610 --> 01:37:45,070
a very highly acclaimed medical doctor

2284
01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:47,620
and then we have guys who are just you

2285
01:37:51,450 --> 01:37:49,480
know engineering technicians you know

2286
01:37:53,610 --> 01:37:51,460
Dee Moore Singh is an electrician for

2287
01:37:55,980 --> 01:37:53,620
example a man who works with electricity

2288
01:37:58,350 --> 01:37:55,990
every day in a practical way Forrest

2289
01:38:00,720 --> 01:37:58,360
Connor is an engineer at a radio station

2290
01:38:02,910 --> 01:38:00,730
you know he works on a lot of our audio

2291
01:38:05,340 --> 01:38:02,920
oriented stuff and so you know you want

2292
01:38:08,420 --> 01:38:05,350
to put together a group of people who

2293
01:38:12,270 --> 01:38:08,430
know how to get their hands dirty and

2294
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:12,280
also are good communicators because nine

2295
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:15,130
times out of ten the very first step in

2296
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:17,440
knowing that a place is worthy of

2297
01:38:22,530 --> 01:38:20,290
investigation is having someone reported

2298
01:38:25,890 --> 01:38:22,540
to you it starts with the human

2299
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:25,900
experience I saw this I heard that I

2300
01:38:32,130 --> 01:38:28,960
felt this and you know ghosts are real

2301
01:38:34,890 --> 01:38:32,140
at very least in terms of the human

2302
01:38:36,690 --> 01:38:34,900
experience and so communication is very

2303
01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:36,700
very important you have to be

2304
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:39,460
to begin by putting yourself in the

2305
01:38:44,250 --> 01:38:41,650
other person's shoes and then you go out

2306
01:38:46,530 --> 01:38:44,260
there and you start building upon that

2307
01:38:50,580 --> 01:38:46,540
to see to what extent that person's

2308
01:38:53,370 --> 01:38:50,590
reality overlaps with everybody else's

2309
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,380
and that is where data comes in handy as

2310
01:38:59,520 --> 01:38:56,080
a medium for what's occurring in the

2311
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:59,530
environment that might allow us to share

2312
01:39:03,390 --> 01:39:01,840
some part of the experience with that

2313
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:03,400
individual and understand what's

2314
01:39:09,450 --> 01:39:06,490
happening so altogether whether it is

2315
01:39:12,990 --> 01:39:09,460
you know UFOs or psychic phenomena or or

2316
01:39:15,780 --> 01:39:13,000
cryptids or I mean I think that we we

2317
01:39:18,030 --> 01:39:15,790
probably either have the best people to

2318
01:39:20,210 --> 01:39:18,040
go work on it or we can access the best

2319
01:39:22,050 --> 01:39:20,220
people who are going to take a pretty

2320
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:22,060
skeptical approach and I know that's

2321
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:23,440
funny a lot of people think that

2322
01:39:27,150 --> 01:39:25,600
skeptical means their bunker but that's

2323
01:39:28,890 --> 01:39:27,160
not true there's a big difference

2324
01:39:31,950 --> 01:39:28,900
between people who go out with the

2325
01:39:34,260 --> 01:39:31,960
agenda to prove something's not real and

2326
01:39:36,780 --> 01:39:34,270
people who go out and reserve judgment

2327
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:36,790
until all the data is in well we have a

2328
01:39:41,670 --> 01:39:38,650
big thread we have a thread on the

2329
01:39:44,460 --> 01:39:41,680
podcast right now that is actually about

2330
01:39:46,230 --> 01:39:44,470
that very subject defining the

2331
01:39:48,330 --> 01:39:46,240
difference between a skeptic and a

2332
01:39:50,150 --> 01:39:48,340
debunker one of the things that that I

2333
01:39:53,790 --> 01:39:50,160
kind of realized while you were

2334
01:39:57,090 --> 01:39:53,800
answering was that languaging is also

2335
01:39:59,520 --> 01:39:57,100
very important you need to have a an

2336
01:40:02,520 --> 01:39:59,530
agreed-upon system of languaging in

2337
01:40:05,250 --> 01:40:02,530
other words if you say something as an

2338
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:05,260
amateur investigator to a scientist you

2339
01:40:10,770 --> 01:40:08,560
have to know that you are using a form

2340
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:10,780
of languaging that he can properly

2341
01:40:16,620 --> 01:40:14,080
interpret you know obviously a person

2342
01:40:18,990 --> 01:40:16,630
that doesn't have a masters or PhD in

2343
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:19,000
some particular you know focus realm of

2344
01:40:23,820 --> 01:40:21,970
science they're not going to have the

2345
01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:23,830
the quality of languaging that's

2346
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:26,680
necessary to communicate on that level

2347
01:40:33,150 --> 01:40:29,650
so languaging I think is another area

2348
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:33,160
that's super important and why don't you

2349
01:40:37,380 --> 01:40:36,010
continue and then we'll go to some

2350
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:37,390
questions that we have from our pair

2351
01:40:40,980 --> 01:40:38,050
Castform

2352
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:40,990
viewers well you know Chris you are so

2353
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,090
right about that I could not agree more

2354
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:45,840
a language is of utmost importance

2355
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:50,239
because this may be the single factor

2356
01:40:58,989 --> 01:40:54,650
that has held research back the most the

2357
01:41:02,859 --> 01:40:58,999
fact that people are not able to to

2358
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:02,869
start speaking to each other at the same

2359
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:06,530
point and I see how some folks in the

2360
01:41:12,129 --> 01:41:09,170
metaphysical realm if you will make this

2361
01:41:14,620 --> 01:41:12,139
even more complicated by taking what are

2362
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:14,630
originally scientific or technical terms

2363
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:17,840
and adapting them into metaphysical

2364
01:41:22,739 --> 01:41:20,719
language I'll give you an example some

2365
01:41:25,959 --> 01:41:22,749
of the people who study vortex energy

2366
01:41:29,890 --> 01:41:25,969
which is pretty much a psychic endeavor

2367
01:41:32,729 --> 01:41:29,900
of trying to sense what energy might be

2368
01:41:36,129 --> 01:41:32,739
spiraling into or out of the earth I

2369
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,139
live in Sedona so I know about that yeah

2370
01:41:41,319 --> 01:41:38,480
many of them say that you know you have

2371
01:41:45,250 --> 01:41:41,329
two types of vortexes what they call as

2372
01:41:48,009 --> 01:41:45,260
a meta position magnetic or electric and

2373
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:48,019
what they mean is that a magnetic field

2374
01:41:53,939 --> 01:41:51,679
is one that is swirling inward and pulls

2375
01:41:56,620 --> 01:41:53,949
you in with the feminine energy and

2376
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:56,630
electric is swirling out of the earth

2377
01:42:03,160 --> 01:41:59,840
and sort of the yang masculine energy

2378
01:42:06,339 --> 01:42:03,170
well now magnetic and electric means

2379
01:42:08,649 --> 01:42:06,349
something completely different to an

2380
01:42:11,049 --> 01:42:08,659
engineer or or to somebody who's a

2381
01:42:12,609 --> 01:42:11,059
traditional scientist and it becomes

2382
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:12,619
confusing if you have some you know some

2383
01:42:16,930 --> 01:42:14,510
vortex researcher talking about

2384
01:42:19,359 --> 01:42:16,940
electricity and magnetism next to a guy

2385
01:42:20,410 --> 01:42:19,369
who who studies you know how to wire a

2386
01:42:22,779 --> 01:42:20,420
house or something

2387
01:42:25,330 --> 01:42:22,789
and so yeah language holds us back

2388
01:42:30,370 --> 01:42:25,340
because language is the mold that our

2389
01:42:33,850 --> 01:42:30,380
ideas must conform to to transport

2390
01:42:39,939 --> 01:42:33,860
themselves back and forth from person to

2391
01:42:42,399 --> 01:42:39,949
person and exactly and clarified and

2392
01:42:44,770 --> 01:42:42,409
your point about you know the idea of

2393
01:42:46,810 --> 01:42:44,780
the vortex and scientifically what

2394
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:46,820
people are talking about or think

2395
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:48,170
they're talking about when they talk

2396
01:42:52,989 --> 01:42:51,050
about vortexes you know and I'm a person

2397
01:42:57,689 --> 01:42:52,999
that's that's challenged on this all the

2398
01:43:01,060 --> 01:42:57,699
time in limited Sedona you know it's

2399
01:43:02,140 --> 01:43:01,070
it's pretty interesting actually I live

2400
01:43:05,169 --> 01:43:02,150
outside of

2401
01:43:07,689 --> 01:43:05,179
but it's pretty interesting encountering

2402
01:43:10,660 --> 01:43:07,699
people who are totally caught up in the

2403
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:10,670
whole idea of this magical just gorgeous

2404
01:43:16,060 --> 01:43:13,730
area that has vortexes and then I have

2405
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:16,070
to remind them that out of the five main

2406
01:43:25,110 --> 01:43:18,560
vortexes they actually had to move to

2407
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,040
yeah we should do a whole show on Sedona

2408
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:32,239
sometime I tell you it could be a real

2409
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:37,090
60 minutes style act expose day maybe

2410
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:40,370
anyway continue you know let's talk

2411
01:43:45,790 --> 01:43:43,280
about lemur you know how did you devise

2412
01:43:48,490 --> 01:43:45,800
your protocols what were some of your

2413
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:48,500
main early cases that really gave you

2414
01:43:52,630 --> 01:43:50,330
some results that you were able to you

2415
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:52,640
know dovetail other efforts onto why

2416
01:43:58,330 --> 01:43:55,850
don't you continue well when I was a

2417
01:44:00,939 --> 01:43:58,340
teenager I started publishing books I

2418
01:44:04,780 --> 01:44:00,949
published my first book when I was 14 or

2419
01:44:08,350 --> 01:44:04,790
15 and by the time I was 18 I was

2420
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:08,360
working on the first book of Asheville

2421
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:10,250
ghost stories I live in Asheville North

2422
01:44:13,180 --> 01:44:11,690
Carolina I'll tell you what you're

2423
01:44:17,979 --> 01:44:13,190
starting to sound they're like Timothy

2424
01:44:19,300 --> 01:44:17,989
green Beckley you know eleven twelve

2425
01:44:21,459 --> 01:44:19,310
years old we'll get into that background

2426
01:44:24,580 --> 01:44:21,469
at a moment we have Joshua P Warren

2427
01:44:27,130 --> 01:44:24,590
we've been exploring on doing the

2428
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:27,140
paranormal research game on the cheap

2429
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,330
the MacGyver way and lots more I'm Jean

2430
01:44:36,130 --> 01:44:31,040
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

2431
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,070
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2432
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2445
01:45:10,130 --> 01:45:07,770
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2446
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,140
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2447
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:12,239
grow cotton wheat fabric engraving can

2448
01:45:15,470 --> 01:45:13,920
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2449
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:15,480
counterfeit and carding to a private

2450
01:45:19,010 --> 01:45:17,250
bank having it led back at interest

2451
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:19,020
forcing taxes to service debt this

2452
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:20,880
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

2453
01:45:23,959 --> 01:45:22,320
stating a central bank issuing the

2454
01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:23,969
public currency is a greater menace to

2455
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:25,080
the liberties of the people than a

2456
01:45:27,919 --> 01:45:26,850
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

2457
01:45:30,020 --> 01:45:27,929
free silver dollar in a book that

2458
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:30,030
explains our monetary system call for

2459
01:45:36,380 --> 01:45:33,300
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

2460
01:45:43,610 --> 01:45:36,390
understand the system call 866 to 237

2461
01:45:49,260 --> 01:45:46,470
welcome back to the podcast the gold

2462
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:49,270
standard of paranormal radio and now

2463
01:45:59,220 --> 01:45:56,890
here's Jean Steinberg what we mean by

2464
01:46:00,990 --> 01:45:59,230
Parekh aspro it's something we talked

2465
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:01,000
about at the beginning of the show so

2466
01:46:04,650 --> 01:46:02,290
you've got to listen again if you missed

2467
01:46:06,990 --> 01:46:04,660
it I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host is

2468
01:46:09,570 --> 01:46:07,000
Chris O'Brien Joshua P warren joins us

2469
01:46:11,459 --> 01:46:09,580
we've been talking about his research

2470
01:46:13,260 --> 01:46:11,469
techniques about the people he works

2471
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:13,270
with about some of his discoveries and

2472
01:46:17,850 --> 01:46:15,370
evidence but also about the fact that he

2473
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:17,860
started publishing books when he was 14

2474
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:20,410
hmm shall we continue

2475
01:46:26,490 --> 01:46:22,960
yeah sure well you know when I was 18 I

2476
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:26,500
was working on a book of ghost stories

2477
01:46:30,570 --> 01:46:28,210
about my hometown Asheville North

2478
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:30,580
Carolina and amazingly there had never

2479
01:46:35,580 --> 01:46:32,170
been a book of ghost stories written

2480
01:46:38,610 --> 01:46:35,590
about this town and at the same time I

2481
01:46:41,939 --> 01:46:38,620
was contacted by our old venerable

2482
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:41,949
historic resort the Grove Park Inn and

2483
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:44,560
it's the place where all the president's

2484
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:47,199
stay when they come into town and it

2485
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:48,850
kind of reminds people a little bit of a

2486
01:46:56,010 --> 01:46:53,199
shining and for many decades they had

2487
01:46:58,919 --> 01:46:56,020
been haunted by a female ghost called

2488
01:47:02,220 --> 01:46:58,929
the pink lady and it had always been

2489
01:47:03,630 --> 01:47:02,230
policy to not discuss the ghosts this

2490
01:47:06,660 --> 01:47:03,640
was something that was considered

2491
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:06,670
frightening for guests and they finally

2492
01:47:10,620 --> 01:47:08,650
due to a change in management thought it

2493
01:47:11,939 --> 01:47:10,630
might be appropriate to look into

2494
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:11,949
whether or not this could be positive

2495
01:47:17,790 --> 01:47:14,320
for marketing and so they hired me if

2496
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:17,800
the first person ever to investigate the

2497
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:20,050
pink lady and so I spent about six

2498
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:23,650
months given full access to every nook

2499
01:47:30,540 --> 01:47:26,290
and cranny in room in this magnificent

2500
01:47:33,390 --> 01:47:30,550
hotel to interview people to start

2501
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:33,400
documenting energy fields and that

2502
01:47:39,540 --> 01:47:36,250
really was sort of the origin of leemer

2503
01:47:42,090 --> 01:47:39,550
because the property was so massive I

2504
01:47:43,770 --> 01:47:42,100
needed people to help me every night you

2505
01:47:45,870 --> 01:47:43,780
know document what was happening in this

2506
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:45,880
room versus that room versus this tunnel

2507
01:47:51,930 --> 01:47:50,080
and so the book came out and the pink

2508
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:51,940
lady was on the cover of the book and it

2509
01:47:58,750 --> 01:47:55,610
was a big success and so after that

2510
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:58,760
we decided to start you know focusing on

2511
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:01,520
on other cases given what we've learned

2512
01:48:08,620 --> 01:48:05,410
and I went down to South Carolina a

2513
01:48:11,890 --> 01:48:08,630
woman down there said that she was being

2514
01:48:15,070 --> 01:48:11,900
possessed by some kind of a dark and

2515
01:48:18,130 --> 01:48:15,080
evil spirit now that is a very tricky

2516
01:48:19,480 --> 01:48:18,140
phenomenon nobody knows exactly how to

2517
01:48:22,420 --> 01:48:19,490
get a handle on this thing called

2518
01:48:22,750 --> 01:48:22,430
possession and it was pretty freaky for

2519
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:22,760
me

2520
01:48:28,090 --> 01:48:25,040
as a young man you know to go into a

2521
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:28,100
situation where a woman was agonizing

2522
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:30,530
over being possessed by some kind of

2523
01:48:35,260 --> 01:48:34,010
dark violent force and so you know

2524
01:48:37,630 --> 01:48:35,270
you're wondering is this person just

2525
01:48:39,340 --> 01:48:37,640
mentally unstable you know or isn't that

2526
01:48:43,150 --> 01:48:39,350
a common reason whether this person is

2527
01:48:45,130 --> 01:48:43,160
schizophrenic or something yeah so you

2528
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:45,140
never know it's like am i the best

2529
01:48:49,540 --> 01:48:46,880
person who should be coming into this or

2530
01:48:52,030 --> 01:48:49,550
should there be a trained psychiatrist

2531
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:52,040
or psychologist doing this but

2532
01:48:56,020 --> 01:48:54,080
nonetheless I went down there on a

2533
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:56,030
preliminary investigation with a friend

2534
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:59,600
of mine and we were sitting on the couch

2535
01:49:05,140 --> 01:49:02,000
in her living room and we were telling

2536
01:49:08,620 --> 01:49:05,150
her that we had picked up some odd

2537
01:49:10,270 --> 01:49:08,630
fields but there wasn't really much that

2538
01:49:12,850 --> 01:49:10,280
we could see there that we could really

2539
01:49:15,340 --> 01:49:12,860
you know define in terms of what was

2540
01:49:18,460 --> 01:49:15,350
happening to her as we look to her there

2541
01:49:21,700 --> 01:49:18,470
was this change in her eyes you could

2542
01:49:24,370 --> 01:49:21,710
see that she was displeased to hear that

2543
01:49:27,130 --> 01:49:24,380
we didn't know exactly what we could do

2544
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:27,140
for her and suddenly this little

2545
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:29,810
decorative duh hanging on the wall

2546
01:49:36,580 --> 01:49:33,890
behind her just exploded off of the wall

2547
01:49:38,050 --> 01:49:36,590
and hit the floor broke into pieces and

2548
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:38,060
I mean you could have heard a pin drop

2549
01:49:42,940 --> 01:49:40,490
in that room I mean it was there was

2550
01:49:45,250 --> 01:49:42,950
just this immediate tension and I'll

2551
01:49:47,470 --> 01:49:45,260
never forget how bizarre it felt to see

2552
01:49:49,450 --> 01:49:47,480
this object come off this wall and it's

2553
01:49:52,060 --> 01:49:49,460
did you have cameras and tape recorders

2554
01:49:54,850 --> 01:49:52,070
rolling at that point no at that time I

2555
01:49:56,830 --> 01:49:54,860
did not and that's why I said okay I was

2556
01:49:59,170 --> 01:49:56,840
so disappointed that I didn't capture

2557
01:50:00,490 --> 01:49:59,180
that I said we're coming back here with

2558
01:50:02,590 --> 01:50:00,500
cameras and we're not going to leave

2559
01:50:04,110 --> 01:50:02,600
until we get something on video and we

2560
01:50:07,620 --> 01:50:04,120
achieve that

2561
01:50:09,630 --> 01:50:07,630
yeah we went back down there less than a

2562
01:50:12,570 --> 01:50:09,640
month later with a bunch of people a

2563
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:12,580
bunch of cameras and at one point we had

2564
01:50:17,850 --> 01:50:14,410
a trifold

2565
01:50:19,740 --> 01:50:17,860
model one meter set up in a bedroom

2566
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:19,750
where a lot of the activity had been

2567
01:50:25,940 --> 01:50:24,250
occurring and Brian Irish was he was our

2568
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:25,950
imaging specialist he was in there

2569
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:28,810
rolling video next to me and all of a

2570
01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:31,360
sudden this Trifield meter sitting in

2571
01:50:36,690 --> 01:50:33,490
the corner on the electromagnetic thumb

2572
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:36,700
setting squealed and the needle went all

2573
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:39,520
the way up to the maximum reading on the

2574
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:40,210
scale

2575
01:50:46,650 --> 01:50:43,330
and then right there clearly on camera

2576
01:50:50,250 --> 01:50:46,660
you can see this meter has knocked

2577
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:50,260
forward and then up on its side two

2578
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:53,530
perpendicular lines of motion there boom

2579
01:50:59,130 --> 01:50:57,250
boom and in nobody's hands were near it

2580
01:51:01,590 --> 01:50:59,140
there was no nobody near the table how

2581
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:01,600
far away were the nearest witnesses to

2582
01:51:04,860 --> 01:51:03,010
this beat away

2583
01:51:06,900 --> 01:51:04,870
I was right there next to hi and Irish

2584
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:06,910
and we were about 10 feet away this was

2585
01:51:11,220 --> 01:51:09,610
sitting on a chair there was nobody near

2586
01:51:15,330 --> 01:51:11,230
but I loved it

2587
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:15,340
oh this is great yes he was nearby and

2588
01:51:20,850 --> 01:51:18,370
the glint in her eye if I remember what

2589
01:51:23,670 --> 01:51:20,860
role I mean what connection do you see

2590
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:23,680
between her the change in her look and

2591
01:51:29,070 --> 01:51:25,840
then the Alma it sounds like almost

2592
01:51:31,310 --> 01:51:29,080
immediate manifestation of effect I mean

2593
01:51:34,970 --> 01:51:31,320
do you feel that she was somehow

2594
01:51:39,090 --> 01:51:34,980
involved in the manifestation phenomenal

2595
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,100
aspect of this or was she responding to

2596
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:40,960
what was coming in and creating the

2597
01:51:46,050 --> 01:51:43,330
effect in other words well what do you

2598
01:51:47,810 --> 01:51:46,060
think from what we saw on our end I

2599
01:51:51,570 --> 01:51:47,820
think that she was subconsciously

2600
01:51:54,090 --> 01:51:51,580
creating these telekinetic effects that

2601
01:51:58,170 --> 01:51:54,100
is my book how the hot ghost I defined

2602
01:52:00,210 --> 01:51:58,180
broadly poltergeist phenomena as ghostly

2603
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:00,220
phenomena that occurs in the presence of

2604
01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:02,320
one or more particular

2605
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:04,300
regardless of whether or not there was

2606
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,400
something possessing this woman I

2607
01:52:10,740 --> 01:52:08,320
definitely feel like that she was

2608
01:52:12,660 --> 01:52:10,750
producing an energy field that was

2609
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:12,670
affecting the environment and causing

2610
01:52:17,609 --> 01:52:15,610
these objects to move that way Wow

2611
01:52:19,790 --> 01:52:17,619
I mean if I was starting out in the

2612
01:52:22,939 --> 01:52:19,800
position that you were that at that time

2613
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:22,949
in your process and had a case like that

2614
01:52:28,050 --> 01:52:25,840
that would really make me take a step

2615
01:52:31,010 --> 01:52:28,060
back and be really careful how I

2616
01:52:33,570 --> 01:52:31,020
interpreted data from subsequent

2617
01:52:35,070 --> 01:52:33,580
investigations which obviously Joshua

2618
01:52:36,689 --> 01:52:35,080
that's what you've done

2619
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:36,699
you know speaking with you briefly when

2620
01:52:41,790 --> 01:52:39,130
I met you in Sedona and then you know

2621
01:52:44,820 --> 01:52:41,800
speaking with Micah who has worked with

2622
01:52:47,010 --> 01:52:44,830
you closely over the years as a protege

2623
01:52:48,330 --> 01:52:47,020
of sorts you know I'm really impressed

2624
01:52:51,180 --> 01:52:48,340
with the work that you guys are doing

2625
01:52:53,939 --> 01:52:51,190
down there and your new book I think is

2626
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:53,949
a perfect tool for an aspiring

2627
01:52:59,820 --> 01:52:56,560
investigator to get involved in this

2628
01:53:02,520 --> 01:52:59,830
organize you know really learn do your

2629
01:53:06,180 --> 01:53:02,530
research get up to speed

2630
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:06,190
create a common maybe primitive language

2631
01:53:10,140 --> 01:53:07,810
in scientifically so that you can

2632
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:10,150
approach scientists know how to talk to

2633
01:53:15,419 --> 01:53:12,400
them about your data get them involved

2634
01:53:16,830 --> 01:53:15,429
in your process get some legitimacy this

2635
01:53:19,410 --> 01:53:16,840
could be a wonderful grassroots

2636
01:53:22,530 --> 01:53:19,420
groundswell approach and you know again

2637
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:22,540
I I think I've thanked you and applauded

2638
01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:25,210
you more than any guest that we've had

2639
01:53:28,649 --> 01:53:26,980
on this show Joshua nine nine you know

2640
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:28,659
what if you continue applauding people

2641
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:32,250
you know the microphone is going to bust

2642
01:53:38,370 --> 01:53:35,050
that is just wonderful because to me

2643
01:53:40,919 --> 01:53:38,380
that was that was what was important

2644
01:53:44,729 --> 01:53:40,929
that was the intention because I feel

2645
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:44,739
like that if you just give people a

2646
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:48,159
simple access point so that they can

2647
01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:51,010
just take what they already have and go

2648
01:53:56,669 --> 01:53:53,920
out there and see firsthand for

2649
01:53:59,340 --> 01:53:56,679
themselves that these are fix are

2650
01:54:01,770 --> 01:53:59,350
tangible that they are palpable that

2651
01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:01,780
there is something here to investigate

2652
01:54:08,100 --> 01:54:05,110
then they will have the enthusiasm and

2653
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:08,110
the piqued curiosity needed to determine

2654
01:54:14,879 --> 01:54:11,199
how much further to go in the field and

2655
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:14,889
I have no doubt that in ten years you'll

2656
01:54:20,669 --> 01:54:17,199
be interviewing somebody who has

2657
01:54:22,410 --> 01:54:20,679
discovered something fantastic and he'll

2658
01:54:24,570 --> 01:54:22,420
say yeah I didn't know anything about

2659
01:54:25,859 --> 01:54:24,580
this but you know I got this poor man's

2660
01:54:27,419 --> 01:54:25,869
paranormal and I learned a few

2661
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:27,429
techniques and that started me and

2662
01:54:31,229 --> 01:54:28,239
that's all I will

2663
01:54:34,649 --> 01:54:31,239
is to get people started simply down the

2664
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:34,659
right path yes like a former co-host on

2665
01:54:42,979 --> 01:54:37,599
this show said to me on my first

2666
01:54:48,930 --> 01:54:46,080
man don't lose this because I understand

2667
01:54:50,819 --> 01:54:48,940
it's contagious this disease yeah I'm

2668
01:54:53,879 --> 01:54:50,829
loving it this is great

2669
01:54:55,470 --> 01:54:53,889
everybody on the forums take notes and I

2670
01:54:57,839 --> 01:54:55,480
want to hear it after class what you

2671
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,849
think we're going to see after this show

2672
01:55:02,040 --> 01:54:59,440
comes out probably when you get back

2673
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:02,050
from your investigative trip Chris

2674
01:55:06,899 --> 01:55:05,050
exactly what our listeners thought about

2675
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:06,909
it whether they have better ideas

2676
01:55:11,939 --> 01:55:08,650
because we need better ideas not just I

2677
01:55:14,609 --> 01:55:11,949
don't believe that I only write I don't

2678
01:55:16,859 --> 01:55:14,619
buy any of that go away leave me alone

2679
01:55:20,180 --> 01:55:16,869
because what's the point of the show if

2680
01:55:23,220 --> 01:55:20,190
we're not going to make people curious

2681
01:55:25,259 --> 01:55:23,230
have intriguing mysteries that sort of

2682
01:55:27,660 --> 01:55:25,269
thing Joshua P Warren presenting

2683
01:55:29,549 --> 01:55:27,670
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over the weeks as the planning

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progresses we welcome your opinions

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joshua p warren joins us I'm gene

2797
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Steinberg with Chris O'Brien you're in

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the para cast Chris aren't we gotten to

2799
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a point yet when we could start asking

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questions from our listeners

2801
02:00:47,479 --> 02:00:44,729
unfortunately because Joshua was

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announced as a guest with only a couple

2803
02:00:52,779 --> 02:00:49,530
of days of warning we haven't had a

2804
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:52,789
chance to really you know accumulate the

2805
02:00:58,239 --> 02:00:55,199
number of questions we normally do but

2806
02:01:01,040 --> 02:00:58,249
one thing that was actually I had a

2807
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:01,050
question about and somebody pointed up

2808
02:01:08,899 --> 02:01:06,090
tighter 0:01 pointed out that there is

2809
02:01:11,419 --> 02:01:08,909
an investigation vestigators team of

2810
02:01:13,850 --> 02:01:11,429
course who are famous for their work at

2811
02:01:17,179 --> 02:01:13,860
the Amityville Horror Edie and Lorraine

2812
02:01:20,179 --> 02:01:17,189
Warren is there any relation III is that

2813
02:01:22,909 --> 02:01:20,189
like Uncle Ed or Aunt Lorraine are you

2814
02:01:23,479 --> 02:01:22,919
related to them and have you worked with

2815
02:01:24,949 --> 02:01:23,489
them at all

2816
02:01:28,219 --> 02:01:24,959
no actually I'm asked that question

2817
02:01:30,020 --> 02:01:28,229
quite often but there is inflation I did

2818
02:01:32,209 --> 02:01:30,030
meet Lorraine Warren a couple of years

2819
02:01:34,639 --> 02:01:32,219
ago she's a very sweet lady I met her at

2820
02:01:36,770 --> 02:01:34,649
a conference and a few times I have

2821
02:01:38,569 --> 02:01:36,780
interviewed John Zaffis whom I believe

2822
02:01:41,449 --> 02:01:38,579
might be their nephew or something like

2823
02:01:42,889 --> 02:01:41,459
that on my radio program but no no

2824
02:01:45,620 --> 02:01:42,899
relation just one of those names that

2825
02:01:47,569 --> 02:01:45,630
apparently attracts the paranormal we

2826
02:01:50,899 --> 02:01:47,579
have a Frank Warren - who's a UFO

2827
02:01:57,319 --> 02:01:50,909
investigator okay related to him either

2828
02:02:00,620 --> 02:01:57,329
nope okay the black sheep has a were

2829
02:02:02,929 --> 02:02:00,630
from hot soup he's actually a recent you

2830
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:02,939
know member of the forum he asks an

2831
02:02:07,380 --> 02:02:04,690
interesting question I'm

2832
02:02:09,479 --> 02:02:07,390
this a lot and I'm actually very curious

2833
02:02:11,910 --> 02:02:09,489
of what your response will be while

2834
02:02:14,340 --> 02:02:11,920
researching has there ever been an idea

2835
02:02:17,250 --> 02:02:14,350
or concept that really is shaky to the

2836
02:02:19,290 --> 02:02:17,260
bone bordering paranoia because perhaps

2837
02:02:21,930 --> 02:02:19,300
what you are you have been investigating

2838
02:02:24,090 --> 02:02:21,940
may prove real with further steps to

2839
02:02:26,189 --> 02:02:24,100
uncover the truth perhaps a personal

2840
02:02:27,959 --> 02:02:26,199
experience that really has you shaking

2841
02:02:30,570 --> 02:02:27,969
in your boots metaphorically maybe

2842
02:02:33,870 --> 02:02:30,580
literally I think that the time that I

2843
02:02:36,420 --> 02:02:33,880
felt the most out of my skin in a way

2844
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:36,430
you know was when I went down to

2845
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:39,130
Myrtle's plantation in st. Francisville

2846
02:02:49,950 --> 02:02:41,770
Louisiana and I got to spend a night and

2847
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:49,960
this big old plantation house and I was

2848
02:02:57,720 --> 02:02:53,050
in the General David Bradford suite and

2849
02:02:59,160 --> 02:02:57,730
there was no television no telephone I

2850
02:03:01,709 --> 02:02:59,170
mean the only way you would know you

2851
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:01,719
weren't living in the 1700s was they had

2852
02:03:07,290 --> 02:03:04,330
electrical lights and there was a toilet

2853
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,300
other than that I mean I couldn't get a

2854
02:03:12,209 --> 02:03:09,520
good cell phone signal and it was

2855
02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:12,219
storming like crazy outside and about 10

2856
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:13,810
o'clock at night something started

2857
02:03:18,870 --> 02:03:16,810
pounding on my wall I knew that I was

2858
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:18,880
the only person there but I went out and

2859
02:03:22,890 --> 02:03:20,800
checked and made sure and nobody else

2860
02:03:25,979 --> 02:03:22,900
was there and I had my video camera

2861
02:03:28,650 --> 02:03:25,989
rolling and I walked back inside I said

2862
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:28,660
is there someone here boom boom boom

2863
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:31,210
they came again i'ma walk and even then

2864
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:33,930
I said if there is someone in this room

2865
02:03:39,959 --> 02:03:37,090
would you please do that again boom boom

2866
02:03:42,090 --> 02:03:39,969
boom at that moment the realization said

2867
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:42,100
in upon me that there is something in

2868
02:03:49,020 --> 02:03:45,520
this room with me that is invisible to

2869
02:03:51,380 --> 02:03:49,030
me yet is conscious and aware and

2870
02:03:53,790 --> 02:03:51,390
interactive and that was a very

2871
02:03:56,370 --> 02:03:53,800
unsettling feeling because you feel very

2872
02:04:00,120 --> 02:03:56,380
helpless at that moment and this began

2873
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:00,130
about a four-hour session of me asking

2874
02:04:06,090 --> 02:04:03,520
whatever this thing was to tap or pound

2875
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:06,100
on different objects in the room and it

2876
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:08,290
complying this went on to the point

2877
02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:10,000
where I finally had to go to sleep

2878
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:12,130
because I had to get up early the next

2879
02:04:16,290 --> 02:04:14,050
morning to do a TV shoot that was why I

2880
02:04:17,399 --> 02:04:16,300
was sent there I I was lying there

2881
02:04:19,260 --> 02:04:17,409
trying to sleep

2882
02:04:21,740 --> 02:04:19,270
and this thing was banging on the

2883
02:04:24,330 --> 02:04:21,750
headboard yeah so as this thing

2884
02:04:27,090 --> 02:04:24,340
continued pounding on the walls it was

2885
02:04:29,220 --> 02:04:27,100
unsettling to me to know there was

2886
02:04:32,399 --> 02:04:29,230
something you know conscious and aware

2887
02:04:35,010 --> 02:04:32,409
and interactive here in the room yeah so

2888
02:04:37,530 --> 02:04:35,020
it was it was unsettling to know that

2889
02:04:40,890 --> 02:04:37,540
there was something in this room it was

2890
02:04:43,700 --> 02:04:40,900
conscious aware interactive but I

2891
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:43,710
couldn't see it and in fact if you go to

2892
02:04:49,290 --> 02:04:46,690
youtube and just type in my name and

2893
02:04:52,379 --> 02:04:49,300
something like alone in America's most

2894
02:04:55,620 --> 02:04:52,389
haunted bedroom you'll see some of this

2895
02:04:58,350 --> 02:04:55,630
footage and that was you know that was

2896
02:05:02,160 --> 02:04:58,360
unsettling because it just strikes at

2897
02:05:04,020 --> 02:05:02,170
that basic fear of the unknown you know

2898
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:04,030
not knowing precisely what's going to

2899
02:05:08,310 --> 02:05:05,770
happen next even though I never felt

2900
02:05:10,979 --> 02:05:08,320
threatened or anything and then you know

2901
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:10,989
there was a time when I saw misty a

2902
02:05:17,129 --> 02:05:13,360
traditional form in the Attic of a house

2903
02:05:20,070 --> 02:05:17,139
I touched it I was able to photograph it

2904
02:05:23,220 --> 02:05:20,080
and yet that was not particularly scary

2905
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:23,230
because I just didn't know what I was

2906
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:25,810
looking at and it was it was actually

2907
02:05:30,330 --> 02:05:28,090
one of those moments where time seemed

2908
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:30,340
to stop and you feel almost like a

2909
02:05:35,850 --> 02:05:33,010
caveman looking at fire for the first

2910
02:05:37,340 --> 02:05:35,860
time but I do think there are occasions

2911
02:05:39,830 --> 02:05:37,350
when you know investigating mysterious

2912
02:05:42,570 --> 02:05:39,840
phenomena can make you paranoid because

2913
02:05:45,950 --> 02:05:42,580
certainly we have many examples of

2914
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:45,960
government agencies investigating people

2915
02:05:50,970 --> 02:05:49,330
who have been researching something

2916
02:05:52,590 --> 02:05:50,980
considered paranormal I mean Nick

2917
02:05:55,470 --> 02:05:52,600
Redfern has published whole books

2918
02:05:57,840 --> 02:05:55,480
showing you know FBI files now

2919
02:05:59,790 --> 02:05:57,850
Declassified right we have already Nick

2920
02:06:04,439 --> 02:05:59,800
I'm very often he's one of our guest

2921
02:06:06,450 --> 02:06:04,449
co-hosts yeah are spending money to

2922
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:06,460
follow people around to do paranormal

2923
02:06:09,919 --> 02:06:08,650
research and so yeah there are times you

2924
02:06:12,209 --> 02:06:09,929
get a little paranoid and you wonder if

2925
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:12,219
somebody who's following you around and

2926
02:06:16,410 --> 02:06:14,320
taking pictures is more than just the

2927
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:16,420
media we should mention here that we've

2928
02:06:21,540 --> 02:06:18,370
had little paranormal event ourselves

2929
02:06:23,700 --> 02:06:21,550
normally we talk with chris on online

2930
02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:23,710
connection called skype providing a

2931
02:06:28,740 --> 02:06:26,110
really crisp clean network connection

2932
02:06:30,930 --> 02:06:28,750
okay well just when you started telling

2933
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:30,940
this little story Joshua

2934
02:06:34,770 --> 02:06:32,890
we started losing the connection with

2935
02:06:36,570 --> 02:06:34,780
Chris and finally we're talking to him

2936
02:06:38,670 --> 02:06:36,580
on his telephone on his landline hoping

2937
02:06:40,980 --> 02:06:38,680
that is more reliable is it Christine

2938
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:40,990
I could probably you know kind of

2939
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:44,530
mention the trickster here gene but I'd

2940
02:06:48,750 --> 02:06:46,480
reveal myself as a member of the

2941
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:48,760
trickster fan club so I want what might

2942
02:06:52,830 --> 02:06:50,800
be that the aliens are visiting your

2943
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:52,840
locale and you want to find out what's

2944
02:06:58,590 --> 02:06:56,050
going on no it's the bunkers on forums

2945
02:07:02,130 --> 02:06:58,600
dr parra capcom they're after me they

2946
02:07:04,410 --> 02:07:02,140
found me now what do I do what you do is

2947
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we've had a few little minor issues but

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to go to the flow and accumulate quality

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data analyze it properly and expand your

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scientists involved get other

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again I think I started developing the

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approach and let's see if they if they

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can take out my landline Joshua really

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again I said there's more times on this

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what was that instance in your

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investigative process early on that sort

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of that changed your view of what you

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were dealing with I have mine I know a

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lot of investigators have theirs what

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follow up hypotheses or you know sort of

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suspicions that you have about what

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you're doing was out there in the field

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I mean it has there been a crucial case

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of data for instance you want to take

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that one yeah well you know I so far

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have not seen a case that has reliably

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given me the evidence to say if you go

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into this back bedroom on November 3rd

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at midnight old man withers glide falls

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from the closet you know I'm waiting for

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that but in the meantime you know I

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certainly have found that there are

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certain factors that are valuable I mean

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humidity plays a role in many of these

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cases does yeah any change of humidity

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whether sufficient systems like

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or vice-versa and that change of

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humidity I found not only produces wind

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which doesn't blow by the way with

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it sucks it also it creates a very

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interesting electrical environment

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occasional especially in desert areas

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where lowering of humidity will will

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give you the more potential for static

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discharge and other things why don't you

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continue you're down the southeast where

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humidity is an ever-present thing I'm in

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the desert where we kind of aspire

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towards humidity what do you find in

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terms of humidity in a human environment

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well you know it's funny because okay

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for example right now I'm talking to you

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in Asheville North Carolina and it's 50

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percent humidity in my house and that's

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pretty substantial and you find that you

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know in an area like Western North

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Carolina that is mountainous and wooded

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most of the activity seems to pick up

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when the humidity gets low you know say

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30% or below now of course out in

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Arizona have there many occasions when

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it's no 10 or 15 percent so I mean that

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enhances it but what's odd is that there

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are some places where it can be

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extremely humid and yet the activity is

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still prevalent like in New Orleans New

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Orleans more dramatically spring des

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moines yeah and the way to understand

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that is very simple

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generally speaking the lower the

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humidity the lower the amount of energy

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can be for the electrical manifestation

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to occur but the higher the humidity the

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more powerful the manifestation must be

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to occur and then like lightning like a

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lightning bolt coming down the

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low-pressure system unless with lots of

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humidity and any interaction between dry

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and wet for instance in the catastrophic

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sense produces hurricanes and produces

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more specifically tornadoes which have

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been ravaging the you know the southeast

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and in parts of the Midwest here left

3171
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the you know we could too so so you what

3172
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you're suggesting then is that if we can

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detect these my new changes in a

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location specific environment

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we may be able to anticipate

3176
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manifestations of what are you know

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considered paranormal effects yeah

3178
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absolutely the if you're going to be

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able to measure something happening at a

3180
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location that has a lot of humidity

3181
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that's a powerful manifestation and so

3182
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it's going to be very easy to pick it up

3183
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and a lot more if you can lower the

3184
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humidity at that area and so frequently

3185
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when I go into a haunted place I will

3186
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request that the air-conditioning or

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whatever else be turned on so the

3188
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humidity is lowered right and also I'll

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bring in electrostatic devices like

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vandegraaff machines like wim shirts

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generators to start mixing up the ions

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in the air and could really try

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breathing an ozonator like those

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commercial odor removers those big ozone

3195
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units that you can you can read they say

3196
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don't be in the room all those things

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operating have you ever attempted to do

3198
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an investigation by alternating the

3199
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space for instance yes I have and those

3200
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are great as well I mean they're not as

3201
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good as a Van de Graaff machine but

3202
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they're a lot easier to use I mean for

3203
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somebody who's not familiar with how to

3204
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use a mechanical electrostatics device

3205
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this is carry one like that I mean you

3206
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feel like you're Count Dracula or

3207
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something or yeah and I would absolutely

3208
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that matter of that yeah being dr.

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Frankenstein but sure you know anything

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you can use to sort of make the

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environment more unstable is going to

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provide those flexible building blocks

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that could be molded into some type of a

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form for interaction how about a

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sonically one of the things that I've

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been really fascinated with working with

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Michael Esposito who's a an EVP expert

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based out of the Chicago area one of the

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things that we've devised there's an

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idea to go in and and harmonically

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disturb the environment in other words

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take specific tones that are dis

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harmonious to one another on the create

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you know acoustics standing way

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is that that are comfortable in other

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words hitting the wrong note with the

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wrong note and taking tuning forks for

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instance and vibrating the structure of

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the building with this harmonious

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frequencies to try to provoke whatever

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it is in there to to respond to to

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something that maybe it just it's not

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within the flow I mean I know emotional

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situations with investigators where

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there's anger where there's any sort of

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friction for instance can it has a

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tendency in cases to provoke something

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to happen and that's popularized and

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sensationalized on TV with the many plus

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or a ghost ghost shows out there but

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have you ever tried acoustic disharmony

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generation for instance going into a

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tuberculosis Hospital and and flicking

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big lighters or broadcasting the sounds

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of iron lung machines things things that

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run counter to what you would

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intuitively think is operative there

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have you tried any acoustic type

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experiments yeah absolutely and in fact

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we not only have tried tuning fork

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methods that are reminiscent of a film

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adaptation of H P Lovecraft's from

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beyond where you're trying to sort of

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rattle the environment and change its

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frequency but also we've done things

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that are a bit more traditional for

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example we have gone into the Capitol

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building of North Carolina and Raleigh

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and played songs from the Civil War you

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know whether it's Dixie or oh man you're

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meaning dude yeah yeah and and what we

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have found is that it is it's kind of

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hit or miss I mean sometimes you get a

3264
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great reaction but it's not been

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consistent and I think that I simply

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because we we probably need to put a

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little bit more power into it because

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I'm a big fan of researching what many

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call sacred geometry that the very

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design of a building itself is going to

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determine how that energy whether it's

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acoustic or otherwise is channeled

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through the structure of the building

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was it's more harmonically conducive for

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that type of activity if you're going

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into Reims Cathedral you know in

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projecting sound you can have a lot

3278
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different response at least I think

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theoretically then you would if you went

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into you know your average ranch home in

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you know outside some trailer park

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obviously the environment how its

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constructed materials the actual design

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itself for instance Lindisfarne Chapel

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where I live for many years in Crest own

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is considered one of the pre-eminently

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manufactured deveined sacred spaces

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today well we're getting to more sacred

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spaces and deal with our disembodied

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what went wrong after I got two large

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co-host I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the

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para cast Chris this is just getting

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fascinating Joshua we got to have you on

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for another show we just getting warmed

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up guy I think it's been a long time

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coming

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I really again I you just stimulate so

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much thinking to me with your work like

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you know you're a real inspiration I I

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really want to share that inspiration

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with your glowing vast air cast audience

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out there and you know we were before we

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went to the break we were talking about

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the actual acoustic properties of sacred

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spaces for instance cathedrals or even

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even natural sites like Red Rocks for

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instance anybody has who's ever been to

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a concert at Red Rocks Amphitheatre

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outside of Denver knows that that is a

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natural sacred space in terms of

3433
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listening to to sounds produced there I

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think acoustics is an element of

3435
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paranormal investigation that is that

3436
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deserves more attention and I think a

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little bit more effort and energy in

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terms of monitoring spaces one of the

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projects I'm looking at going up to the

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San Luis Valley which I'll be on my way

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when the show is broadcast is a project

3442
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Michael Persinger up in Sudbury has a

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lab with several individuals and one of

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the things that they're looking at is

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actually recording going to sacred

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science and recording the quality of the

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silence there to me that is so then that

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that's so like you know reversing the

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equation and looking at the end and then

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working back to this you know from the

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singularity back and I really think that

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this is a fruitful Avenue and to take

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that you went into the capital of South

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Carolina and recorded civil war teams

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and played them and then recorded the

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results that's a genius and we need

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out-of-the-box thinking like this let me

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get off the pulpit and the soapbox and

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let you uh let you kind of sum up your

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work for our listeners and give us some

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ideas of where we need to go with this

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you know what are the next steps that we

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can do you know you obviously your book

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afford the gear I think it's really

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important where are we going from here

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well one thing that we must do is help

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to educate the general public about the

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fact that some of the smartest people

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the cosmologists and physicists out

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there have shown us that there is now a

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mathematical support system for much of

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what was once considered the paranormal

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and that you know there are examples

3475
02:30:09,269 --> 02:30:06,939
presented as early as the 1800s by a

3476
02:30:11,369 --> 02:30:09,279
mathematician named Edwin Abbott that

3477
02:30:13,919 --> 02:30:11,379
you can find illustrated by Carl Sagan

3478
02:30:16,139 --> 02:30:13,929
on a YouTube video if you just type in

3479
02:30:18,359 --> 02:30:16,149
Carl Sagan and dimensions that shows

3480
02:30:19,799 --> 02:30:18,369
that if we were two dimensional

3481
02:30:22,589 --> 02:30:19,809
creatures living in a place called

3482
02:30:25,260 --> 02:30:22,599
flatland and a third dimensional

3483
02:30:29,099 --> 02:30:25,270
creature entered that second dimension

3484
02:30:32,669 --> 02:30:29,109
that he would sort of appear out of

3485
02:30:34,979 --> 02:30:32,679
nowhere as some type of weird object

3486
02:30:37,019 --> 02:30:34,989
that would change shapes and then

3487
02:30:40,019 --> 02:30:37,029
disappear and that he would be able to

3488
02:30:42,899 --> 02:30:40,029
pass in and out of walls and do all

3489
02:30:44,819 --> 02:30:42,909
these odd things that would freak out

3490
02:30:47,219 --> 02:30:44,829
somebody who lived in the flatland in

3491
02:30:50,459 --> 02:30:47,229
the two dimensions but would also seem

3492
02:30:52,559 --> 02:30:50,469
very ghostly and if the scientists are

3493
02:30:55,229 --> 02:30:52,569
correct to say there are at least 11

3494
02:30:57,989 --> 02:30:55,239
different dimensions some of what we are

3495
02:31:00,689 --> 02:30:57,999
seeing here are interactions between

3496
02:31:03,929 --> 02:31:00,699
ourselves in our three if not four

3497
02:31:06,479 --> 02:31:03,939
dimensions and some of these other

3498
02:31:09,269 --> 02:31:06,489
beings and phenomena that are kind of

3499
02:31:12,749 --> 02:31:09,279
slipping in and out and when this

3500
02:31:14,809 --> 02:31:12,759
happens however there are distinct

3501
02:31:16,889 --> 02:31:14,819
changes that take place with the

3502
02:31:19,619 --> 02:31:16,899
electromagnetic environment the

3503
02:31:21,010 --> 02:31:19,629
electrostatic environment the acoustic

3504
02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:21,020
environment

3505
02:31:28,150 --> 02:31:23,930
and of course many other physical

3506
02:31:29,980 --> 02:31:28,160
aspects here of creatures that one

3507
02:31:32,200 --> 02:31:29,990
minute are standing there looking at you

3508
02:31:33,969 --> 02:31:32,210
in the next minute have vanished into

3509
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:33,979
the ether they may leave footprints

3510
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:35,840
there and that pathway and that trail

3511
02:31:42,300 --> 02:31:39,010
suddenly ends right in mid-stride and

3512
02:31:45,550 --> 02:31:42,310
what we have to do is collect a

3513
02:31:48,670 --> 02:31:45,560
comprehensive database using some type

3514
02:31:51,610 --> 02:31:48,680
of cohesion here and then connect the

3515
02:31:55,060 --> 02:31:51,620
dots to see what makes the most sense

3516
02:31:58,240 --> 02:31:55,070
and step one is taking this out of the

3517
02:32:02,080 --> 02:31:58,250
realm of mere anecdote and giving it

3518
02:32:04,840 --> 02:32:02,090
some type of foundation within hard

3519
02:32:08,460 --> 02:32:04,850
scientific data the data that we can

3520
02:32:12,370 --> 02:32:08,470
relate to but overlaps with all of our

3521
02:32:13,630 --> 02:32:12,380
senses of reality and that's why I'm

3522
02:32:16,330 --> 02:32:13,640
hoping that you know poor-man's

3523
02:32:18,190 --> 02:32:16,340
paranormal and similar things that we do

3524
02:32:21,250 --> 02:32:18,200
and shows like yours would give people

3525
02:32:23,350 --> 02:32:21,260
that medium that format they need to be

3526
02:32:25,750 --> 02:32:23,360
able to get out there and take this to

3527
02:32:27,940 --> 02:32:25,760
the next level of understanding and the

3528
02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:27,950
funny thing is as soon as we understand

3529
02:32:32,590 --> 02:32:30,650
it it'll become normal nobody will think

3530
02:32:34,540 --> 02:32:32,600
twice about it and we'll move on to a

3531
02:32:37,870 --> 02:32:34,550
new mystery an interesting question

3532
02:32:39,730 --> 02:32:37,880
arises Joshua and that is will we ever

3533
02:32:41,860 --> 02:32:39,740
gain that understanding I mean with the

3534
02:32:44,290 --> 02:32:41,870
UFO field we've been knocking around

3535
02:32:47,170 --> 02:32:44,300
that field in the modern era since the

3536
02:32:49,570 --> 02:32:47,180
late 1940s and we really haven't gone

3537
02:32:52,060 --> 02:32:49,580
anywhere so can I really expect a

3538
02:32:55,060 --> 02:32:52,070
revelation or a resolution in our

3539
02:32:56,590 --> 02:32:55,070
lifetimes well normally anybody knows

3540
02:32:59,440 --> 02:32:56,600
the answer to that but I definitely

3541
02:33:01,960 --> 02:32:59,450
think that we can expect to know more in

3542
02:33:04,840 --> 02:33:01,970
our lifetimes I mean I know more now

3543
02:33:07,540 --> 02:33:04,850
than I did five years ago and a lot of

3544
02:33:09,130 --> 02:33:07,550
that is by simply paying attention to

3545
02:33:10,990 --> 02:33:09,140
what's happening in the scientific

3546
02:33:14,020 --> 02:33:11,000
environment I mean very few people

3547
02:33:15,969 --> 02:33:14,030
realized that last year for perhaps the

3548
02:33:18,610 --> 02:33:15,979
first time ever at the University of

3549
02:33:21,370 --> 02:33:18,620
Santa Barbara physicists were able to

3550
02:33:24,430 --> 02:33:21,380
observe a quantum effect in a

3551
02:33:26,440 --> 02:33:24,440
macroscopic object they took a metal

3552
02:33:30,520 --> 02:33:26,450
paddle that was large enough to be seen

3553
02:33:33,060 --> 02:33:30,530
by the naked eye and documented it being

3554
02:33:36,091 --> 02:33:33,070
both still and

3555
02:33:39,390 --> 02:33:36,101
moving at the same time so if indeed we

3556
02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:39,400
now have proof that squads are little

3557
02:33:43,950 --> 02:33:41,920
effects that we used to exclusively put

3558
02:33:46,051 --> 02:33:43,960
into the quantum realm can happen within

3559
02:33:48,211 --> 02:33:46,061
the realm that you and I are living in

3560
02:33:50,700 --> 02:33:48,221
and perceiving well suddenly this might

3561
02:33:52,410 --> 02:33:50,710
be a huge revelation for explaining much

3562
02:33:55,320 --> 02:33:52,420
of what otherwise was considered

3563
02:33:58,350 --> 02:33:55,330
impossible or paranormal and so we need

3564
02:34:00,091 --> 02:33:58,360
to make sure that we stay on top of

3565
02:34:02,280 --> 02:34:00,101
those developments because every new

3566
02:34:04,740 --> 02:34:02,290
development helps us place into better

3567
02:34:07,410 --> 02:34:04,750
context the human experience in

3568
02:34:08,461 --> 02:34:07,420
education as you point out I think is

3569
02:34:11,461 --> 02:34:08,471
paramount

3570
02:34:13,501 --> 02:34:11,471
people need to have it if they're gonna

3571
02:34:16,100 --> 02:34:13,511
read your book and go out there into the

3572
02:34:19,470 --> 02:34:16,110
field they need a basic understanding

3573
02:34:23,520 --> 02:34:19,480
and they need to be educated and be at a

3574
02:34:25,530 --> 02:34:23,530
a predictable level of languaging so

3575
02:34:28,440 --> 02:34:25,540
that they can go ahead and communicate

3576
02:34:31,140 --> 02:34:28,450
their findings you know to people like

3577
02:34:34,320 --> 02:34:31,150
yourself and in science in general I

3578
02:34:36,810 --> 02:34:34,330
think we're living you know that that

3579
02:34:39,330 --> 02:34:36,820
fabled Chinese cursive may live in

3580
02:34:42,841 --> 02:34:39,340
interesting times I think things are

3581
02:34:46,261 --> 02:34:42,851
really ramping up we're really speeding

3582
02:34:48,570 --> 02:34:46,271
up we're headlong towards some sort of

3583
02:34:52,381 --> 02:34:48,580
singularity of understanding you know

3584
02:34:55,410 --> 02:34:52,391
data will be you know doubling itself I

3585
02:34:58,801 --> 02:34:55,420
think right now we're at about three or

3586
02:35:00,631 --> 02:34:58,811
four days information is doubling in the

3587
02:35:02,791 --> 02:35:00,641
next year we're really going to be

3588
02:35:04,740 --> 02:35:02,801
racing headlong towards something and

3589
02:35:07,890 --> 02:35:04,750
the more people we have up to speed

3590
02:35:09,690 --> 02:35:07,900
educated and willing to put the little

3591
02:35:13,501 --> 02:35:09,700
extra time it takes to document their

3592
02:35:15,660 --> 02:35:13,511
findings into a you know a form such as

3593
02:35:18,841 --> 02:35:15,670
the para caster or such as lemur and in

3594
02:35:21,541 --> 02:35:18,851
other organizations that are working you

3595
02:35:24,690 --> 02:35:21,551
know under the radar but but but really

3596
02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:24,700
making headway and organizing people in

3597
02:35:29,160 --> 02:35:26,650
the grassroots way moving this thing

3598
02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:29,170
forward providing solutions to age-old

3599
02:35:34,591 --> 02:35:32,410
mysteries I at least you know solutions

3600
02:35:37,110 --> 02:35:34,601
to investigate these mysteries I think

3601
02:35:38,820 --> 02:35:37,120
this is really good and I can't wait to

3602
02:35:40,291 --> 02:35:38,830
have you back on the show again Joshua

3603
02:35:43,140 --> 02:35:40,301
this has really been great this is a

3604
02:35:44,791 --> 02:35:43,150
really good introduction into a whole

3605
02:35:46,291 --> 02:35:44,801
conversation that we could have about

3606
02:35:49,921 --> 02:35:46,301
this the book is

3607
02:35:53,041 --> 02:35:49,931
poor man's paranormal a manual on using

3608
02:35:55,791 --> 02:35:53,051
household items to document ghosts UFOs

3609
02:35:58,770 --> 02:35:55,801
cryptids and psychic activity right now

3610
02:36:00,690 --> 02:35:58,780
it's the MacGyver method as we mentioned

3611
02:36:02,581 --> 02:36:00,700
where can we find more information about

3612
02:36:05,491 --> 02:36:02,591
the things that you write about in

3613
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:05,501
research Joshua P Warren the best place

3614
02:36:11,371 --> 02:36:08,650
is my website Joshua P Warren comm there

3615
02:36:13,591 --> 02:36:11,381
is no period after the P but if you go

3616
02:36:15,541 --> 02:36:13,601
to Joshua P Warren comm you'll find a

3617
02:36:17,730 --> 02:36:15,551
variety of free videos there and the

3618
02:36:19,801 --> 02:36:17,740
information to support most of what

3619
02:36:21,930 --> 02:36:19,811
we've discussed on the show works for me

3620
02:36:23,761 --> 02:36:21,940
Chris O'Brien we're working on

3621
02:36:25,201 --> 02:36:23,771
rebuilding your site but tell our

3622
02:36:27,690 --> 02:36:25,211
listeners where they could find more

3623
02:36:28,951 --> 02:36:27,700
about the things you're up to Haines

3624
02:36:34,051 --> 02:36:28,961
planet.com

3625
02:36:36,331 --> 02:36:34,061
the way one of the happy moderators at

3626
02:36:39,030 --> 02:36:36,341
the power cast forums at forum podcast

3627
02:36:42,001 --> 02:36:39,040
comm join up there and we give you a

3628
02:36:43,860 --> 02:36:42,011
chance to ask questions of future guests

3629
02:36:46,470 --> 02:36:43,870
but we're also discussing our new para

3630
02:36:49,320 --> 02:36:46,480
cast probe premium service mortgage

3631
02:36:51,900 --> 02:36:49,330
stuff like that thanks Chris our guests

3632
02:36:54,150 --> 02:36:51,910
Joshua P Warren thank you for joining us

3633
02:36:55,860 --> 02:36:54,160
this week on the power cast thank you

3634
02:37:02,899 --> 02:36:55,870
both it's been a great pleasure I look

3635
02:37:07,500 --> 02:37:05,099
apparently the presentation of making

3636
02:37:11,150 --> 02:37:07,510
the impossible incorporated tune in next